Which OS would you prefer?

Which OS?


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SoftJock Rick

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We're getting ready to start porting our software to different (read Unix based OS's).

MAC and LINUX are the two choices that appear much more stable than Windows (and yes, Vista is not looking much more promising than XP, which is decent, but not really designed for the apps in question).

So, would you prefer a MAC based system, or a LINUX based system?

No flaming here, it's just for purposes of finding the proper direction, and getting the feel from the user community.
 

DJ ConXion

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You've shot down Windows Vista before it's even released, yet you say "No Flamming" :mad:


If you're looking to develope a software outside of windows, at least make it something that adapts to the direction which PC's are taking which is "Dual Core". It's funny that they've developed the Technology already (and I have one), yet there is no software that currently puts it to use. (Until Vista is released, which will REQUIRE Dual Core, and will be installed from a DVD due to its enormous size.


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SoftJock Rick

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Robert,

I wasn't necessarily ripping Vista (and yes, as a developer, I already have the pre-releases). It's just a simple fact that it's designed as an all around OS for home and business users, and not really targeted for critical apps. It's also getting rather bloated because of that.

Also, many apps already take advantage of multi-threaded architecture, ours has been that way since the beginning. The dual core is not new science, just repackaged into one chip :)

I have no intention of stopping Windows development, just want to get the ports going at the same time, and was curious whether people would rather see versions for MAC or LINUX first. It takes a "bit" of work to port large apps from one OS to another, so I want to target the OS that more people would consider using for a DJ app. That's why Windows wasn't on the list, because we already have a Windows version :D .
 

djcanada

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thats nice..

im with pop on this one.. im a windows man.. if you find that windows is "unstable" then you don't know how to run windows properly and i wouldn't suggest going to linux only because its even more of a pain in the arse to dork around with. mac.. sure go to that OS.. great for the "home user" who needs a plug n play system... (yay for app transfers [its about the only thing mac is good for..])
 

djcanada

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oh and fyi.. vista will not require dual core.. there will be a 32 bit version that will run just fine on a single :)
 

NickyB

Gear and Equipment Moderator
When you look at all three available OS systems, I begin to wonder. Mac OS-X is built around BSD Linux and Mac was one choice. Then there is Linux in general; al a RedHat, BSD, Suse, Debian, Mandrake and a bunch of others flavors all of which have relatively minor nuances. And then there is the infamous "Windoze" whether its Win2K, XP or even Vista. When you look underneath all the GUIs, what you'll see is Windows embracing Linux/Unix more and more.

Now with all this in mind ..... which do you choose?

NickyB
 

djlurch

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If porting to another OS makes sense economically, then it is worthwhile. If not, then don't do it.

If the computer used for playback is dedicated solely to music playback, then an alternative OS is a viable solution. The real problem is that most of us use at least a few other pieces of software on our playback computers. Even my dedicated rackmount system has a Windows only piece of software that I could NOT live without: Mp3 collector, a music management application.

If all of the needed applications were available for alternative OSs, then switching wouldn't be a big deal. However, a vast majority of applications are not ported to multiple OSs. I am addressing the small-medium popularity programs, not Office/Acrobat/Flash/etc.

I really only see two good reasons for developing alternative OS applications:
1) Because it makes financial sense (the user base will support it)
2) Ideological reasons: to counter Microsoft's immoral and illegal monopoly.

Another option would be to develop an embedded OS and application. Based on the Cortex system and the problems it had with crashing, I'd say that this is not a trivial task.
 

SoftJock Rick

ProDJ Sponsor
Unfortunately, I don't get to choose, my customers do, hence this poll :D

I could debate OS's for hours, and after a few beers, would probably choose MVS, TSO or VM/CMS -- but that would not only be showing my age, but would take a lot of work to lug around, and awful hard to find a decent sound card :)

The question really comes down to: What OS would you (the DJ), be comfortable with on your gig computer?

I see a lot of people switching to MACs for a variety of reasons, and a lot going with Linux, so the financial part is there from my perspective. Ideology, I leave for posts elsewhere, so I don't get into trouble :)

I also hear a lot of people complaining about Windows, and always asking why not a dedicated OS? That's not an easy task -- I've had my hands in a few OS projects, and would not want to go there again any time soon.

So, the thought is, which OS do you trust with your audience, and I basically see two options besides the current: Mac or a Linux flavor?

I plan on (and am) porting to both, but looking for feedback on which should be first and at the top of the todo list. I could make an assumption, but we all know how that works, so here I be, asking for feedback from the people most likely to have a stake in the outcome...
 

Bryan Durio

Music and Videos Moderator
SoftJock Rick said:
I could debate OS's for hours, and after a few beers, would probably choose MVS, TSO or VM/CMS -- but that would not only be showing my age, but would take a lot of work to lug around, and awful hard to find a decent sound card :)
:mad: Ugh! Bite your tongue (and fingers)! Batch IBM mainframe crap? I can see DJs writing JCL to tell their computers how to be computers! Yecch. I put up with that BS for three years, 1987-1990. No self-respecting programmer would ever want to relive those dark days. Vol Ser THIS. :twisted:

I personally think that writing a PC (not Politically Correct...) version of Multics from scratch would be best option for all involved! :wink:
 

SoftJock Rick

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Ahhh, those were the days Bryan :)

Submit a job, and come back two days later to see if it ran. Hell, I was excited in the early 80's when we got to see the "new" thing - terminal screens -- no more card decks -- WeeHaw !!!

Imagine typing an MP3 onto cards -- you could beat mix by switching the cards around...hehe

So far the poll looks pretty close though, I thought MAC would have at least a 3 to 1 advantage...
 

DJ Luffy

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djcanada said:
thats nice..

im with pop on this one.. im a windows man.. if you find that windows is "unstable" then you don't know how to run windows properly and i wouldn't suggest going to linux only because its even more of a pain in the arse to dork around with. mac.. sure go to that OS.. great for the "home user" who needs a plug n play system... (yay for app transfers [its about the only thing mac is good for..])
Why is "plug and play" a bad thing? :D

As a former "windows man", I love my apple laptop. Virtually no viruses, and has been rock solid with megaseg, and i tunes. I will never go back.

Luffy
 

djcarl

Active Member
Bryan & Rick,

Talk about the old days. I go back to the CPM PC systems's 8080 and 8088. (did they call them PC's back then?)

CPM - Command Prompt Mode on the Heathkit system I had. Wow.. 90k floppies (8" in dia.) hard sectored, and a whopping 64k of memory (and that was expanded). No such thing as a hard drive. Had to swap floppies all day long while running programs....Can't believe it. Also had sound.. Had a assembly program that changed the baud rate on the serial port and you wired a speaker to a couple of pins and you actually had a crude MIDI type player. Very crude but in 1979 there was no such thing as a sound card either.

And look what we have today.....



And now back to your regularly scheduled post.....
 

James Kane

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From the estimated market shares I've seen the poll should be a dead heat. The question is how many DJ's (who tend to be thrifty and do-it-yourselfers) have switched over to open source.

Linux is a great OS but it's lacking in professional multi-media apps. This could be barrier in adopting it for many.

Next as a developer you need to couple in the "free" expectations of that market. Most Linux users expect their apps to be no cost and to have the source available. What percent of the market will actually spend money on your applications?

With Macs you have a user-base that is used to paying for apps and in some cases paying quite frequently for updates.

Another issue to consider is that Linux driver support can be pretty terrible. How many pro-grade cards have drivers these days? I no longer have a Linux box so I really don't know the answer to that.

Does either base make an economic case for porting? That will depend entirely on how you coded your app. If you relied heavily on Microsoft's API instead of rolling your own audio engine, the task could be painful and possibly not worth the effort given the small market. 1 in 50 PC's sold are Macs. Another 1 in 50 PC's are running Linux. 60,000 DJs in the US... Roughly 1,000 potential sales for either port. Not sure how this would look on the world wide scene.

I'm not saying that if your mousetrap isn't better that users wouldn't follow it to another platform though. I switched platform for just that reason 3 years ago.
 

NickyB

Gear and Equipment Moderator
And I remember when I started at NASA .... we ran on an IBM-360/195 using MVT (MVS' predecessor) with TSO operating with over 200 users in a shared 4K memory region. The largest blocks of data on the disk drives was 7294 bytes ..... what PC can actually do any serious work in 4K?

My, my how things have changed. I think I'm dating myself .... LOL

NickyB
 

SoftJock Rick

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Some good points James.

The benefit I have, is our decoder engine is already ported to almost all Unix based platforms (including Mac and Linux). The only work for me is porting the UI. That part is getting easier every day, with all the latest development tools on both sides of the aisle.

With Novell's latest offering of SUSE, and Sun's move to give their stuff away, I see some definite improvment in the likelyhood that more people might consider Linux...

I also see Apple starting to take a bigger byte out of the home market, which also translates to other markets.

Doubtful I'll make a billion off of either market, but it is fun (as you can tell, I enjoy my work) :).

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Now, on to you old timers like me (hehe), here's a link to my first home computer http://oldcomputers.net/ti994a.html. Check around their pages if you like reminiscing, cool stuff.

Wish I still had it...
 

djjunior

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Mac or Linux

A few points to ponder:

1. With Apple's switch to Intel chips, I really believe that either Windows running on Apple systems or OSX running on PCs is not that far away. Given Apple's current whole market share, and market share among mobile DJs, does it really make sense to make a version for Apples right now? Maybe waiting a little while might change the situation.

2. Linux is a very technical-mind resource intensive OS, meaning that you had better have some experience with it if you are going to use it for anything, which makes it out-of-bounds for a lot of people. Plus, Linux support for anything is much harder to come by.
 
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