What are you afraid of?

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Chris Hollowell

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I KNOW that this topic has been addressed many times by others here and including Moderators.....but let me point it out again.

Why do people refuse to provide any information about themselves in their profiles? What's the fear all about?
Afraid one of thier friends might see them here and tease them and make fun of them?
Afraid someone might call them inferior for participating on a DJ Message Forum?
Maybe it's all the hype about identity theft?
Can't be that we all are big time celebrities that simply must stay incognito to protect their privacy.....can it?

Seriously. There are a few people here that show up with some fake name, take wise crack, pot shots at people or topics and threads and act with no accountability.

Some of you are well known and established. We already know who you are and alot about the person behind the name. I mean you no disrespect.

I know that this is an open admission web community and that visitors may read many of these posts without even registering as a memeber.
It's an unrestricted, free internet. I know that too. Until someone changes it.

So what's the deal? Why not take a minute and fess up the profile? Think we'd see registrations decline or members drop off by making the profile entry manditory for membership?

Its not like anyone really has anything to hide, right?

....Oh, oh my gosh.......Is Osama Bin Laden spinnin Snoop Dogg on top of some Afganistan Mountian somewhere trying to pick up marketing ideas without being spotted by our former Marine DJs?????

Hey.....Osama! Fill out the #@%@%$^#& profile!

*Typed with tounge buried in cheek.

LOL. (nothing wrong with a little accountability)
 

#1someguy

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Maybe because some of us know there are freaky fvcked up people out there that WILL use the information against us or for malicsious purposes. Or maybe we don't want to get 10 trillion spam emails because someone ripped the entire database off here (it's not hard to do). Maybe some of us aren't utterly desperate for someone to talk to us because we have a life outside of the forums. And maybe we're protecting ourselves from people like you.

Welcome to the Internet, Enjoy your stay :evil:
 

Mark Evans

Mobile Beat Moderator
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Most people want to surf the internet anonymously. Most chat boards I visit use usernames and most people don't want to use their real names. Many people on this board have competitors and want to keep some of their trade secrets from others 
 

Hutt

Pro Dj groupie since 1996
Would the real Mark Evans please stand up, please stand up......Will the real Mark Evans please standup.......








just singing to myself....
 

Chris Hollowell

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Chris Hollowell said:
Why do people refuse to provide any information about themselves in their profiles? What's the fear all about?
Its not like anyone really has anything to hide, right?


*Typed with tounge buried in cheek.
I guess so.
Thanks for the response anyways.


(ô¿ô)

*DJ Formerly known as <O?O>
 

BBBuffalo

Active Member
Chris,
You answered your own question.

It's a wide open forum. I talk about things here I would never discuss with clients. If potential clients come here and find something that could cause them to not want to work with you because of your religious or political views (or anything) that you would NEVER discuss with the client, then it just isn't worth it.

This type of post pops up from time to time. I guess my big question is why do so many people have a problem with anonymity?

Is there anyone who has typed anything here that you feel you want to speak to them personally that has refused to take the conversation offline? If so they are just cowards and you shouldn't waste your time fretting about them.
 

bill_smith

MobileBeat Moderator
Staff member
Uhh Hutt...dude...Mark IS standing up!

Sorry Mark, had to take the shot.

Chris, unfortunately, there is a lot of mistrust and evil doers out there who DO make it bad for everyone....and make people wary.

Similarly, we have people who use a minimum amount of information just so they can be a pain in the butt, proclaim free speech, say what they want, and say it without realizing or observing the most important aspect of that free speech...accountability for your words and actions.

If everyone WERE to be held accountable, truly accountable for their words and actions, wouldnt it be a much better world...and Internet?
 

djlurch

New Member
Chris:

My email address is part of my online identity, so that's why I use it. I am don't hide my identity. If anyone asks, I'll be happy to tell them who I am.

One think I don't do is make it easy to figure who I am and what my website address is for the casual browser. I don't have anything to hide or anything fabulous, but I don't want dj's to visit my website.
 

Uncle Mike

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Hi Chris,

First off let me say that I have been enjoying your posts these last few months. I don't know if it's my imagination but I've noticed a major a difference in your posts since you started using your real name. Didn't you used to be "shortkutz", then just "kutz", then the "artist formerly known as..." :?: Maybe you can relect back on why you have used various names here in the past, leading up to the reasons why you are currently using your full name.

There are a few people here that show up with some fake name, take wise crack, pot shots at people or topics and threads and act with no accountability
Your are absolutly right and have also answered your own question. This reminds me of some of the local phone chat lines that were popular here in the eighties. It was kind of cool to talk to a wide variety of people on an open phone line until some moron punk would start running his mouth. What always cracked me up was at this point someone would start using profanity while threatening to kick someone's a**. These cowardly little puke's would talk all kinds of trash, make wisecracks, insults, threats etc. that they would never make in person or if people knew their real identity. The same is true on internet chatboards. Thanks to Ryan and his excellent team of moderator's, the troublemakers here are dealt with accordingly and get banned if they don't shape up. My prediction is that this site will be minus one particular smart mouth, very, very soon.! 8)
 

Chris Hollowell

New Member
Mike,

I'd be happy to explain.

I first registered here with the dj name, DJ Shortkutz. When I started to participate here, I had a negative outlook and a bad attitude. I showed a lack of respect for people on the other side of the internet as well as those that actually took this site seriously. I wasn't taking it seriously.

I got cocky and rubbed a few good people the wrong way early on here. After causing some trouble, I was warned to either change my conduct or be forced to leave this site - permanently.

I realized that those screen names are REAL PEOPLE out there somewhere. I also realized that many people here did take this site and their business seriously. There was a lot to learn from and some really great people to learn from here - and I was abusing it all.

A few times, during a heated dispute - my DJ name was used to suggest that I cut corners in my business practices or took "short cuts". It was a play on words that also served as a personal jab. I changed the name down to just 'Kutz after thinking that my business reputation had been damaged. But I still had some "growing up" to do.

When I finally realized that many of us do respect others and take this place seriously. I thought a lot about my membership here. It was time to get serious and show it. Also, there are many good people here that have lots to openly share, they do it willingly. The amount of education you can get from this place is unlimited. My business and service to my customers has benefitted by huge amounts because of you people.

I saw many serious DJs and business professionals using thier real names and not afraid to put thier information out there. That was some serious accountability. Not thier home, personal information. But enough information to support WHO they were and WHAT Back Ground they were coming from as a DJ professional.

I learned that talking it is ALOT easier than WALKING it. It's too bad that in moments of ignorant anger, I went back and edited most of my first posts. It really serves as an example. You can tell the difference here from people who are serious about this industry and their business from those that couldn't care less.

I made the decision to improve. You can't talk about being a good Christian and not walk like one too. But that's off topic from this thread.

I have read other threads here that have posts from some DJs that only have less than 10-15 posts with a short DJ name and no profile. Thier posts can be argued they aren't taking this site serious either.

I want to be a positive role here and in our industry. I'd like to help solve problems instead of adding to the problems. I made the decision long before we all took Bill Smiths' Oath to better treat others here. I've tried my best to not post negative comments or disrespectful things to anyone here. So I am not afraid to be accountable for my posts. I am available to anyone that would like to talk or ask me anything. I have nothing to hide.

I know that not everyone else feels as I do. But SOME information is better than NONE. And I can understand and agree with those that answered my questions. I don't blame them for their choice.

If you do read my posts from time to time, I truely hope that I am not negative or disrespectful. My intention is quite the opposite. But, I still have much to learn.........
 

#1someguy

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My prediction is that this site will be minus one particular smart mouth, very, very soon.!
I assume that's towards me. If so I resent that! Comments like that make you no better then me. Some people can't seem to handle honesty and think everything needs to be sugar coated. My post above is a perfect example of why some people choose to hide their identity (I was illustrating the point, rather then just saying why) A lot of the senior members here seem to think that my behaviour is poor, but I disagree. It would seem more so that my opinion about certain topics tends to disagree with theirs and in turn they think I'm causing ****. I am entitled to my opinion, and everyone else is entitled to theirs. There are many of the senior members who think they know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING...when in fact they don't and I could talk circles around their heads for the next 5 years. Just because none of them see any credibility in my words, doesn't mean it's not there. They are just blind and aren't willing to accept it.

Also if I'm to be banned, which ultimately would be pretty childish in regards to whoever chooses to do so, I would perfer to simply be warned and leave on my own terms. Banning is a cowardly act, leaving allows whoever bans me to keep their dignity.
 

#1someguy

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Fine, I'm 19...I am in second year of university for a bsc in computer science with a minor in math. I live at home. I've done live sound for 4-5 years now in and around my city. I have also had lighting experience for that same amount of time as I did most of my work in audiotoriums, but also gyms/caffs/halls/outdoors...you name it. I have even provided live sound reinforcement for High Holy Days at an ourdoor concert prior to world youth days. DJing I'm relatively new to, I've only done 3-4 gigs on my own. Speaker design and building and such, I've successfully built several of my own speakers, most notibly sub enclosures, I've done several for both car and home/pro usage. I've been interested and using audio equipment for the good part of 10 years now. As you can clearly see I am not totally new to the audio aspects of djing, nor am I new to computers/internet/forums or any of that...so when I do offer my advice, there is experience behind it! If you critics hadn't noticed, I do not post my advice in topics I know nothing about (ie the marketing/interactive/business aspects of things)
 

hippydog

wuz here when it was Red.
#1someguy said:
Maybe some of us aren't utterly desperate for someone to talk to us because we have a life outside of the forums. And maybe we're protecting ourselves from people like you.
and maybe some people just like to be A-holes behind a cloak of anonymity.
 

#1someguy

New Member
hippydog said:
#1someguy said:
Maybe some of us aren't utterly desperate for someone to talk to us because we have a life outside of the forums. And maybe we're protecting ourselves from people like you.
and maybe some people just like to be A-holes behind a cloak of anonymity.

As I've already gone over this, I was answering his question by example. :roll:
 

bill_smith

MobileBeat Moderator
Staff member
Since you have decided to bring it out in the open, you did make a statement that was of an insulting and attacking nature on the Gear board.

As a member of our Disciplinary board, which works behind the scenes to ensure a good atmosphere, I can advise that the way the entire process works is that someone is suspended first, if the behavior warrants it.

Usually, we ask for an apology for whatever the offensive behavior is.

Failure to respond places such a person in a category of being able to view, not post.

Refusal to abide by our Terms of Service enable us to suspend or permanently preclude anyone from coming back if our staff feels that it is warranted, ONCE WE HAVE ISSUED A WARNING via PM...Or Post.

Further, if any banning is to be done, be advised that it will not be on terms dictated by any poster.

This is a privately owned forum, and no one has the right to say what they want without due accountability.


I personally don't care for your approach, but I do defend your right to say what you want to about gear. But your statement which I do find insulting and derogatory in nature that requires an apology within 48 hours was the statement that people that use Bose are not professional.

My advice?

Apologize while you still can...and do it within 48 hours.

There is your warning.

Was that plain enough, and is there anything you didn't understand?

You are always welcome to leave anytime you wish it. But come Monday evening, unless you apologize for those remarks, you won't be posting anytime soon.

I'll place you in Moderation, unable to post unless I get a specific apology regarding these remarks, which I have judged to be a of derogatory nature and outside the bounds of our TOS.

You need to post that on the Gear board, where it came from.


"In all my years of audio, with lots of reading...I have come across two groups of people, those that really like bose, and those that really don't like bose. The ones that like bose tend to be those people who do not know much about speakers or audio. The ones that don't like bose are the audiophiles, the enthusiasts, the professionals...the ones who KNOW audio!"

Also if I'm to be banned, which ultimately would be pretty childish in regards to whoever chooses to do so, I would perfer to simply be warned and leave on my own terms. Banning is a cowardly act, leaving allows whoever bans me to keep their dignity.
 

Chris Hollowell

New Member
You guys, please let me just state for the record that this is Not the direction that I originally intended this thread to go.

I have been on the disciplinary end of Bill Smiths attention before. I can tell you first hand that he is fair and even handed. That's not cheap lip service.
"someguy" - suck it up and appologise. You stand to loose much more than you gain by not giving a sincere appology.

I wanted to know why people dont take an extra minute to at least tell us what city and state they live in, or what events they prefer or how old they are. Nothing overly intrusive.

We are all guilty of typing before we think.......unbelievable - but true. The difference is those that choose to be big enough to admit it.

Ryan established this site for professional (or semi-professional) DJ's to come together to network, share and learn.
It IS NOT a freedom of speech web community. We are all members on a freedom of choice basis. Don't like the rules? You are free to leave. You shouldn't have to be kicked out.

I'm not kissing butt when I say that none of the moderators like having to babysit or be the bad guy. But I have seen first hand that they are impartial to everyone.

Listen, it's not that big of a deal anyway. Ryan has chosen NOT to make a completed profile manditory for membership and that's ok. I simply wanted to know why you would be so suspicious not to provide SOMETHING about yourselves.

I dont want anyone getting into further trouble because of this thread. #1someguy, desipite your age or experience, regardless of the fact that I know nothing about you, please......do what's right. You are being given a second chance. Dont waste it unless you don't care. I'm not dogging on you. It's ultimately your choice.....
THINK BEFORE YOU CLICK SUBMIT!

Best wishes all.....

* By the way....the term "formerly known as DJ Chris Hollowell" was a joke from another DJ. It was not serious.

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Chris
 
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