Wedding From Hell Due To?

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CCSNDS1

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I have been Djing for many years and frankly because of the knowledge I have gained through many of you, and from attending conventions, and using the MB forums etc… I have never run across this situation? I also work in the computer industry and managed AV for higher Ed.

Not saying I know everything but I do go through a ritual during the week before next week’s gigs, like many. I pull out the gear from last weekend, going through cables, etc.. Setting up my Denon MC600MKII controller, Dell & Lenovo ThinkPad laptops, Win 10 Pro 64. Nothing but PCDJ, ITunes, Spotify. Monday – Wednesday I spend at least 2 hours just practicing mixes playing and learning with the equipment. Thursday I setup the music for Sat and spend Thursday night and Friday going through Gig music, timing, and announcements etc…

This past weekend was no different. Sat in NH was overcast for much of the day, but incredibly humid. The wedding was a beautiful tent wedding overlooking Rye Harbor. The guest demographic was a little non typical! Kind of split between the B&G ages 25- 30, and then over 55! But all and all a very fun group and everyone wanted to dance! So where the "hell part" right?

My equipment failed in ways that I can only blame on the weather, or Ghost from the B&B!

Here is a timeline of disastrous events!

People start coming across the street from the wedding as the sun starts coming out and the sky starts to clear!~ Now we not only have the humidity but increased temperature! As I am playing cocktail music the song just decides to stop, like a pause but I am not even around the console! Restart, and everything is fine, 20 min later same thing. So I move to my backup Lenovo Thinkpad!, 10 min latter same thing! Ok maybe it’s the PCDJ software! Move to my IPad and run a few tunes reboot both laptops. Both laptops backup, try again, same thing within 15- 20 min, the song will just randomly stop.

Intro went fine, ready to do the blessing and toast, I have a Shure wireless system. Mic #1 working fine Mic 2 is spaz!, real hot, Denon controller will not offer me any volume control on #2, but #1 works fine! WT!

Then after blessing and Maid of Honor toast, she hands mic over to best man, out of nowhere Eco comes on Mic #1! WT!!!! Get through that! Begin the dance music, 3rd song PCDJ In the middle of the song not just stops and its shuts down the program and puts me back into the Win desktop? (Are you !!!! ME! ) Quickly jump over to backup Lenovo and put a song on! It comes out blasting, I go to Vol control #3, no vol. control on my backup laptop. I reboot the Dell and bring back up PCDJ. Load songs, software works but no connectivity to the Denon decks, que, start etc… put a song on from then Dell, now no vol control from #1 or #2 , The only control I now have working on the Denon is Master Vol.! I announce that the equipment is really hot and I need to take a 1 minute break to bring everything back up! I once again reboot the Dell, Lenovo and Off/ and on for the Denon. I throw a song on Ipad while the laptops are rebooting ( FYI both have Samsung SSD with only OS and PCDJ, Itunes!) Still no connectivity to Denon , only Master volume working. I cripple through with a full dance floor, then periodically my QSC K12’s start to cut out for a micro second, not like they are clipping but like its real wet out! It is so quick that I only I notice By 8:00 PM the sun is down and now the humidity is starting to subside and finally getting a nice sea breeze! It has been a long day and many of the over 55 crowed are starting to leave so we do the last dance but tell people were are here until 10:00 PM so please hang out. We do the last dance.

At 8:30 I crank the music, all great dance stuff, I have young and older folks dancing over 100 people still left! Guest are coming up asking for great dance tunes, etc.. For the next 1.5 hours the entire system runs flawlessly! I feel like a total shmuck! To me it does not matter who’s fault etc.. The buck stops with me! I would have felt a little better if I F'ed up instead because at least I could have taken some thing back with me to resolve, improve on etc… This situation left me totally pissed and confused?

Was it the weather, what could I have done? The only thing I can think of was having an air conditioner blowing over the equipment to maybe help with the humidity? Or someone performing an exorcism? WT!!!! After all was said and done the parents come over gave me the final payment plus $200 tip!
 

Cap

Always At Your Service
Sounds to me like low power. After they unplugged the coffee pot, or stopped using a microwave, or with the cool breeze air conditioning units were shut off, or, or, your voltage returned to normal operating juice.

99.9% of inexplicable, weird, ghostly, and nonsensical equipment performance issues are caused by unstable, fluctuating, and/or not enough... power.
 

CCSNDS1

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Sounds to me like low power. After they unplugged the coffee pot, or stopped using a microwave, or with the cool breeze air conditioning units were shut off, or, or, your voltage returned to normal operating juice.

99.9% of inexplicable, weird, ghostly, and nonsensical equipment performance issues are caused by unstable, fluctuating, and/or not enough... power.
 

CCSNDS1

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So like you guys, this isn't my first rodeo! I met with the couple last week and met with the groom’s dad who owns the property. He asked about what I needed for power then he walked me down the basement and showed me the service for the B&D, 480 amp panel and wiring redone approx. 5 years ago!. He had his electrician come in during the week and wire 6 circuits, tent lighting, Cater and DJ, when I arrived for the wedding he had a sub panel with 12-2 romex coming for the B&B basement on top of the grass and approx. 50 feet away from the tent. The romex was standard 12-2, not UF? The electrician had labeled my 2, 20 amp circuits, and I ran, 12 gauge extension cords, one for the Denon console, laptops and speakers and one independent for the lights. I did not open the panel to verify if anything else was on my circuits but I did ask the dad to tell his electrician for 2 independent 20 amp circuits with no other load! I brought 3 racks, each has a Furmen power conditioner with digital volt meters. I did see the typical AC fluctuations approx. 117 down to 109 but the majority of the time I looked, the voltage was between 117 -113? Also, if I was having voltage drops you think I would have incurred more of a problem latter in the evening as I raised the volume and required more power! I had just the opposite affect, basically everything was back to working?

Cap your theory about the microwave, etc.. has merit because latter in the evening maybe the heating elements in the coffee makers, microwaves were all done, so the circuit was not drawing the current like before? Again I should have seen the Furman LED lamps diming, the volt meters dropping? After I saw your post this afternoon I did my math with Ohms Law, by my calculations, if nothing else was on the circuits I was drawing 10 – 12 amps tops after initially starting the speakers /amps up !

This is why I am so pissed, and so confessed what the hell happened?
 

Cap

Always At Your Service
Understood about not being one's first rodeo. I offered my best theory. If it sounded preachy, sorry. I have an inexplicable ghost in my 4 channel wireless mic system too. Just a matter of time before it's excorsized.

When you uncover the villain, please share.
 

CCSNDS1

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Cap no problem I sincerely appreciate your comments. The rodeo comment was more to let everyone know that I typically cover the common sense stuff but like the computer industry the 2 top ways to resolve computer issues is by are asking the customer if the plug is in, and have you rebooted, so I get ya!

So to followup with some findings I was a revision behind on PCDJ that had some bugs? The Denon acting weird can the wetness and using standard inside romex vs. UF have caused some moisture and some type of potential on ground?
 

NickyB

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My best guess would be with Cap on the low voltage and voltage fluctuations in general. How long were your extension cords over and above the 50 ft 12/2 run from the house. As for a 'hot mic', that issue has shown up in many an external controller. I had that issue with one of my older Pioneer models and ended up padding my mic plug with a resistor and marking it as a special cable. I also had issues with a Pioneer dual CD player that would go flaky at 109 vac but worked great at 110 vac and above. I could duplicate that using a variable transformer in my shop.

I also know the inner turmoil you felt after all of it ended ....... been there, as most of us probably have. Just don't let it linger. Personally I'd scrap PCDJ in favor of VDJ or Serato, although the later locks you into their hardware when you want to expand your system's capabilities.
 

Bill_Goode

Mobile Beat Moderator
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I have to agree with the low voltage.

Was this place out in the country?

Dad used to work as a flight simulator tech at Pan Am in Miami. With 12 simulators, constant voltage was a must, and they monitored the incoming A/C. FPL had a nasty habit of dropping the voltage 10%, which gave them serious issues. They routinely called their FPL rep and said that for only giving them 90% of their required voltage, they would send them 90% of their power bill. That game went on for a while and FPL finally gave it up when they were clued in to the fact they spend six figures to monitor all of their power and knew where the drops were coming from.
 

BillESC

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"he had a sub panel with 12-2 romex coming for the B&B basement on top of the grass and approx. 50 feet away from the tent. The romex was standard 12-2, not UF?"

Are you saying he fed the sub panel with 12/2 romex? If so, therein is your problem as 12/2 is rated for a maximum of 20 amps.
 

NickyB

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Just another reason I kept a Honda 2K generator in my truck ...... For bigger gigs I also have a 10K Generac for home use but on two occasions I took it out for large tent events where I had to do sound, lighting and video.
 
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