Vegas Done, bittersweet, A rant.

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AlbanyAMS

Capital Disc Jockeys
Excellent point, and I had thought about bringing that up, but I simply don't understand why the SKB rep didn't explain this to Tim, if that's their situation. I do rep work for Hercules, but Hercules doesn't sell direct. To purchase the products I'm showing, you have to go to one of our dealers. At MBLV09, as in previous years, our dealer has been Six Star D.J., also an exhibitor at the same show. This year, our presence was within the Six Star booth. In previous years, we had our own booth, and I would direct those interested in buying to the Six Star booth. SKB could have "partnered" with a retailer at the show, or have "show specials" pre-arranged with an online dealer (perhaps), and direct customers to them, for orders, instead of saying "tough nuts, we only have one item (each) to sell"
I was preplexed why the SKB rep didn't just say **Tim, we only have 1 per at the show. But if you want to buy 3-4-5 of these, I'll take down your information and they will get back to you next week...**
 

MBMikeB

Moderator
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AMS, as I previously stated...

"What individual impression the person manning the booth may give is just that person's style of delivery."

Let me add "or lack of style".

That's really all it comes down to.

Want to test that theory? Spend 2 or 3 days walking the huge CES show. Some people will practically mug you, while others act like you're bothering them. I can't speak for your personal incident, nor wish to make a judgement here, I hope it was a freak thing.

We are appreciative and indebted to ALL of exhibitors for being there, even the ones who haven't had their coffee yet.
 

DJ Ron Auger

Account Closed
AMS,
Now you have an understanding what brides go through at wedding shows. This is why most brides do not want to be contacted by most vendors after the show. If they want something they'll call you back.

This is another reason why I hate salesman. Their attitude all depends on what they really want. I can only assume that this guy is getting paid to be there. No extras, no bonus for more sales, he just has to be there. So whether you buy anything or not he's getting paid. I could be wrong but I doubt it.
So in a case (pun intended) like this one, just shop on line and find the cheapest place, or buy from a dealer here on Prodj who cares more about your service. Better yet, wait for Cap. At least he hugs you when your purchase is completed.;) Come to think of it, he hugs you anyway.
 

ProfessorJam

New Member
Ryan/Mike,

Kudos on the completion of another milestone tradeshow… Being in the middle of a multi-million dollar project, one that requires my daily baby-sitting, I missed out on the networking and fun regrettably.

This thread makes me wonder how hard would it be for a bride to pop open a laptop during a bridal show and/or a sales consultation and state “look here…. I’ve found several DJs that will beat your price by $100.00!” This thread also has me reflecting on how many times over the years I’ve read members ranting on poor, and lack of, customer service from online ordering – I’ll refrain from commenting on how many over the years have been ripped-off by too-good to believe online deals.

Mike…

I see a great opportunity for show vendors here… I know many vendors would rather not pay the handling and shipping after a show and no-one likes to leave money on the table.. (wink) We all should start a bidding program and have a booth dedicated for vendors to list products open for bidding… Each will establish the starting point and specific specifications (a) bidding ends on…. (b) payment in full at …. (c) picked up at close of show…. (d) responsible for shipping etc…..

Some individuals are more focused on getting the item at the show then just supper deals and such a system will give a fair balanced process with great opportunity for the show vendor to avoid dumping a show piece as reflected above…

This is a raw idea off the top of my mind --- I do see a missed opportunity..

Gods Speed.

Jam
 

Maui Mobile Music Chuck

Life On A Rock :)
And concerning the floor being smaller, it actually wasn't. More new exhibitors than ever, more space used on the floor and demo rooms than EVER!
Ryan

I wasn't there, sorry to say, so I am not commenting on anything, but to clear things up, just saying there were more vendors doesn't help... it would be cool if someone could say.... last year we had 20 vendors and this year we had 21, so there was more.

I think people would understand that better... IMHO
 

Jon Bruce

Sanity Checker
I really appreciate SKB the case manufacturer participating at Mobile Beat.

They do the same thing at NAMM. They don't want to drag the demo stuff home so they sell it off.

At NAMM, they take orders for dealers who will be buying retail quantities.

At MBLV, they are trying to build interest for their dealers in their products.

The SKB was super nice and super patient with me. Two years ago, they gave me about $50 worth of velcro because I strip out the foam in my cases and velcro all my gear in place.

They were listening when I mention what a pain scraping the glue off is.


Dan from Numark was working in the Six Star booth. He was great as well. He ended up selling the Mixmeister controller to a guy from Nigeria! (And Dan knows I LUV Mixmeister). The Nigerian guy asked first. No harm, no foul.

There is a distinction as Cap and others have mentioned. Retailers bring stuff to sell.
Manufacturers are bringing stuff to show off.

God Bless them for showing up and supporting the show!
 

MBMikeB

Moderator
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it would be cool if someone could say.... last year we had 20 vendors and this year we had 21, so there was more.
Chuck, you need to refer back to my earlier explanation.

Because of the unique manufacturer/dealer mix at an end user show, it is impossible to give an answer as if the question were being asked of the CES or NAMM show.

Dealers can represent a certain number of brands depending on the size of their booth,i.e. Six Star and /or NLFX, or they may be a manufacturer who incorporated a dealer, i.e. American DJ or Rane. Or neither,i.e.Pioneer.

So what answer would suffice? 3? 10?
Does the size of the booth matter?
What is a 'vendor'?
 
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Maui Mobile Music Chuck

Life On A Rock :)
Aloha Mike, but I do not think it should be all that hard to say.... you know how many spaces you sold.

I said vendors because I thought that would cover everyone who was on the exhibit floor or the side rooms.

I didn't say how many reps were there or how many dealers.

When people say the hall looked smaller or had less vendors in it, and you or Ryan said no we had more,okay cool? How many more. Not that it matters, it would just be cool to know.

Size of booth has nothing to do with it. It's not the size but what you do with it, at least, that is what my wife tells me.

What should we call them exhibits? Exhibitors?

And you should know how many you had last year and how many you had this year.

Maybe not, maybe you don't keep numbers,,,

I call tell you at the Bellydance festival that my wife and I put on every May, that last year we had 62 vendors, this year we will only have 55, I know how many spaces we have sold.

I know that we have 39 teachers this year doing 53 classes, I know last year we had 35 teachers doing 55 over 5 days.

I know last year we had exactly 1284 dancers on-stage over the 3 days of show from 15 different contries.

I can tell you that we had last year 1723 class sign ups, I don't know this year because we are not all sold out yet.

My point here is that it should be easy for you to have the numbers.
 

Steve Sharp

Active Member
AMS, as I previously stated...

"What individual impression the person manning the booth may give is just that person's style of delivery."

Let me add "or lack of style".

That's really all it comes down to.

Want to test that theory? Spend 2 or 3 days walking the huge CES show. Some people will practically mug you, while others act like you're bothering them. I can't speak for your personal incident, nor wish to make a judgement here, I hope it was a freak thing.

We are appreciative and indebted to ALL of exhibitors for being there, even the ones who haven't had their coffee yet.


While at least 90% of the time I post here as a D.J., let me put my other hat on for a second, since I CAN. As many of you know, I was there as a representative of a vendor. Hopefully, I can discuss this from both sides, since I've BEEN on both sides.

Mike's right. While I'm in no way defending whomever Tim talked to from SKB, and agree it could and should have been handled better, I imagine I'm also guilty of having my own "style" (or lack thereof). While many people "get me" (and vice-versa), and I hugged many (customers, and non-customers alike), I'm sure some didn't like me. I do the best I can, but I would be fooling myself if I thought 100% liked me.

Examples (all happened at MBLV09):

While I'm DEFINITELY interested in showing products and helping people, when I have (at one point) FOUR GUYS trying to cram themselves, along with me on a tiny piece of staging, simply assuming this is ok, I have to say something.

If, after 20 minutes of "test driving" one of our controllers, I've got other people who also want to try it out, I have to say something.

If a novice computer user physically pokes my Macbook Pro with his fingernail (which is the most direct way to create areas of dead pixels on an LCD screen), not once, but TWICE, I have to say something.

Mike: while I don't enjoy coffee as a hot beverage, Jitters (in the Riv lobby) makes a really tasty ice blend.



I really appreciate SKB the case manufacturer participating at Mobile Beat.

They do the same thing at NAMM. They don't want to drag the demo stuff home so they sell it off.

At NAMM, they take orders for dealers who will be buying retail quantities.

At MBLV, they are trying to build interest for their dealers in their products.

The SKB was super nice and super patient with me. Two years ago, they gave me about $50 worth of velcro because I strip out the foam in my cases and velcro all my gear in place.

They were listening when I mention what a pain scraping the glue off is.

Dan from Numark was working in the Six Star booth. He was great as well. He ended up selling the Mixmeister controller to a guy from Nigeria! (And Dan knows I LUV Mixmeister). The Nigerian guy asked first. No harm, no foul.

There is a distinction as Cap and others have mentioned. Retailers bring stuff to sell.
Manufacturers are bringing stuff to show off.

God Bless them for showing up and supporting the show!


Despite the fact that some of the products Dan was showing are direct competition to ones I was showing - in the same booth, too! (I believe "knockoff" could actually be applied, but I digress), I liked Dan and had hoped to have him show me the Mixmeister controller, as well. While I don't use it "live", I really like the Mixmeister software (I use Studio, from time to time). I was hoping he had brought an NS7 to play, but... not yet. I too, missed that one.

For what it's worth, my experiences with SKB have been completely positive. I took a tour of their plant in Orange, California with several folks here, and found them to be very helpful.
 
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MBMikeB

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Chuck

It appears I am obviously not making myself clear.
Reps? whose talking about reps?
Attendees? whose talking about attendees?
Speakers? whose talking about speakers?

You don't care how many dealers? So we don't count Six Star's 30x30 booth???
Does ANYBODY out there understand what I'm saying?

Steve, was Hercules at the show? Or was Six Star?

At this point I'm curious as to why my explanation given twice on manufacturer/dealer representation at a user end show still confuses some (or at least one).

Sure I could give a number....but there are several ways to arrive at that number, reasons previously explained.
 

DJ Ron Auger

Account Closed
This thread makes me wonder how hard would it be for a bride to pop open a laptop during a bridal show and/or a sales consultation and state “look here…. I’ve found several DJs that will beat your price by $100.00!”
It wouldn't be hard at all. And if every DJ like an SKB case were exactly the same no matter where you buy it I wouldn't blame here for finding cheaper DJ's on line, then using that as a bartering tool. But that's not an equal comparison.

I've read quite a bit of this thread and to me it's plain and simple. A customer (or possible)of SKB had a bad experience at the show. If SKB wishes to handle it between that customer and the salesman that's their choice. But that customer should be voicing this complaint directly to SKB. I do appreciate the heads up though.

As for vendor prices at the show? I would expect to see cheaper prices. That's one of the tags about the show, Great Deals!!! One of the my reasonings for attending any show is to see the new toys out there and grab some great deals. If I found a dealer at the show selling something that I could buy for less while in the convenience of my own home guess where I'd buy it? I wouldn't have to worry about getting it back home.

Isn't it the vendors who advertise "Show specials", "Great Deals", "Show Blowouts". Yet we're not expected to pay less at a show than a normal purchase? I don't think so. But this is a point of view coming from a consumer. I have the choice of buying or not.
 

DJ Ron Auger

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Sure I could give a number....
Then give the number.


And for those of you who have a serious question and prefer to hear a serious answer instead of chatboard 'theories', drop me a line at mb@mobilebeat.com and I'll be happy to reply to you. I just prefer to do it that way then here, I've been down this slippery slope too many times.
That's strange. Mobile Beat doesn't want to chat on their own board? So any response from Mobile Beat would only be chat board "theories?
Hmm!!!
 
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MBMikeB

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Sure I could give a number....

Then give the number.
Take my words out of context why don't you? This is what I said...


"Sure I could give a number....but there are several ways to arrive at that number, reasons previously explained."

What are you just looking to instigate again?
 

Maui Mobile Music Chuck

Life On A Rock :)
And concerning the floor being smaller, it actually wasn't. More new exhibitors than ever, more space used on the floor and demo rooms than EVER!
Ryan

Ok Mike, I read back on this thread and I do owe you an apology.

It was not you who said the place was bigger it was Ryan. I'm sorry, my bad.

the quote is from Ryan, so let me try it this way....

And concerning the floor being smaller, it actually wasn't... cool, how big was it last year, how big was it this year?

More new exhibitors than ever,,,,,, cool, how many last year, how many this year?

more space used on the floor and demo rooms than EVER!,,,, cool, how much last year, how much this year?

In order to say this, someone must know the answers.

Ryan knows I love him, I know how hard he works and where he was and how far he has come. I have nothing but admiration for the kid. Works ways harder than I do.
 

Bill_Goode

Mobile Beat Moderator
Staff member
Just curious....

Why do those who have not attended the show always have so much to say about it, then offer witness as if they were there?

Some folks who started off with a tiny booth now occupy a ton of private space across the hall from the show floor. Others are there for the first time this year. Many vendors I have seen again over the last several years. Even those that vowed never to return to the show floor were there.

The person I walked the show floor with, we divided and barely conquered. There simply was not enough time to go over the offerings this year (a good thing). Even the decibel level on the show floor was very good. It was not the sound-off of old when the show was at the Trop.

My suggestion is unless one was there, why do they even have a right to discuss and critique as if they were on-site? That seems very disingenuous and offers no thoughts for improvements or useful feedback.

Again, just an opinion...
 

Maui Mobile Music Chuck

Life On A Rock :)
Bill,,, the reason someone has the right to say anything about anything is that is the country we live in.

And I did state in my first post that I hadn't been and was just asking a question and was not commenting on the show good or bad at all.

But to be more to the point, would you ever question something you might want to go to?

Lets say you stopped going to something,,,, let's say a car show because you've been there done that,,, now the talk is about how the last one was bigger and better, so now you want to know how much bigger and better because maybe you might plan on going again if indeed there is more to offer than in the past.
 

DJ Ron Auger

Account Closed
"Sure I could give a number....but there are several ways to arrive at that number, reasons previously explained."
You said you could give the number and I was just waiting for your answer. I understand if you don't want to give the number. The less that know who wouldn't understand, the better.


What are you just looking to instigate again?
No, I think this is my first time instigating you.


Chuck,
You have every right to as any questions you wish. As a past customer and a possible future one, ask all the questions you can, this is how you lean. The answers and a few comments are not about selling and growing but more guarding and protective. Good way to welcome in possible future customers.
 
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