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Tim English

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Apple put this functionality in the phone to be able to remove malicious apps that may have slipped through their authorization process. It has not been used to remove apps that were removed from the App Store.
Apple puts this functionality in to beat down competing products. It has nothing to do with malicious apps. Google Voice was approved by the VP of Apple himself. Then after the fact, they blocked the app for competitive reasons. I really don't think GV was a malicious program.
 

jimmie

DJ of the year
Okay, I'm still here... this conversation has pulled me in.

Tim: You're confusing remotely disabling an app already installed on your phone with blocking an app from the market. If you download an app that was approved and it is removed from the market, it doesn't get removed from your phone.

What I love about Android is that it takes the best of what Windows Mobile could have been and combines it with some (not all) of the fit and finish of the iPhone. You have a device that is intuitive to use with a very good touch interface, and you can still do pretty much whatever you want to/with it as if it were a computer.

As much as I love my iPad, simple tasks can be incredibly frustrating. Try taking a pdf file that has been emailed to you and sending it to someone else. Not by forwarding the email, try to save the pdf and then create a new email with that pdf as an attachment.

Try opening a document created in Pages with another app on your iPad. It can't be done without going through the cloud first.

Try working with any document in more than one app. It creates a copy every time. Download a doc from Dropbox and edit it on your computer and your changes will be reflected on any computer synced with that Dropbox account. Download a doc from Dropbox on your iPad and edit it and there is no way to sync it back, you have to create a new copy of the doc in Dropbox.

Try to organize your photos into folders. Again, it can't be done on the iPad, you have to organize them on a computer and sync them to the iPad. Downloaded a few photos straight to your iPad? Sorry, you need to save those to your desktop first, organize them there, then sync them back to the iPad.

I love my iPad for what it does well, but any one of the tasks listed above is 100 times simpler on an Android device. That's why I say the combination of the two is the best of both worlds. Heck, if they made it so you could sync an iPad to an Android, I'd be in heaven!
 

JSMain

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Jimmie, As I said earlier, I had the HTC Desire for 2 weeks, from US Cellular. It used the Sense interface. I liked the phone when I got to use it( when it wasn't on the charger), but that doesn't excuse the clunky apps. Eventually, they will get better.

This was just one of my dissapointments...

On the iPod touch, I can rate my music, and then load a playlist that loads only tracks that rate 3-5 onto my ipod through itunes. The default droid music app doesn't even allow you to rate your music, so I had to search the droid market place for one that did. Double twist's player did, but guess what, the Doubletwist app doesn't make it easy or intuitive to create the same playlist, and load it onto the droid. Apple does this right, as they do with many other things on the iPod series.

As I said, I was really hoping the Desire would replace my iPod, and cell phone. All it was was a really expensive cell phone, because I had to turn everything off to make it last a day off the charger. What good is that?
 

jimmie

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Jeff: No argument from me that the iPod does music better. There are a lot of things the iPod/iPad/iPhone do better than anything else on the market.

My solution was to stop trying to make one device do everything. For me the device that does everything I want how I want it to doesn't exist yet. I love my iPad. I used to love my iPhone except for the service. IF Verizon had come out with an iPhone prior to the Droid, I'd be using one right now.

I think there may be some confusion as to my POV. I'm not arguing in favor of one device over the other. I'm in favor of personal choice. Whatever you choose, realize that there are other solutions that work equally well or better for other people.

(btw, I use my Droid as a music play using iSyncr. It allows me to sync my iTunes playlists and is actually easier and faster than syncing an iDevice with iTunes. I was never much for rating my music on the player or managing playlists on the player, so the shortcomings in those departments don't really bother me)
 

bjojade

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http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Google-uses-remote-delete-to-remove-Android-apps-from-smartphones-Update-1029188.html

As you can see, Google also has the ability to remove apps from your phone if it sees them as a problem. They actually have used this feature!

You can nitpick to death the little differences in the systems. No, of course you can't do everything exactly the same way on every device. However, overall, if you understand the thinking on the iPad, it's a pretty powerful interface. Things that aren't there often are less used features that would clutter up the simplicity of the device.

Some things, I agree can be downright frustrating, but overall, I prefer a system that works more than one that's half finished.
 

Tim English

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Jimmie, I'm not confused.

This contest between Android and Apple is just like Mac vs. PC all over again. Even though Apple gets the credit for creating a new category in the market, the outcome will probably be very similar. A certain percentage of enthusiasts will pay a premium (the Mac tax) to use the Apple product and evangelize for it. The rest of us will use the device that will eventually be cheaper and more versatile.

BTW- The open nature of Android has allowed it to evolve rapidly. 12-18 months ago, Android was practically unusable. Now the UI on an HTC Incredible running 2.2 is every bit as good as the iPhone. Each iteration of the OS has brought significant improvements thus far, and Gingerbread is done and coming soon!
 
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unlimitedsounds

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Jimmie, As I said earlier, I had the HTC Desire for 2 weeks, from US Cellular. It used the Sense interface. I liked the phone when I got to use it( when it wasn't on the charger), but that doesn't excuse the clunky apps. Eventually, they will get better.

This was just one of my dissapointments...

On the iPod touch, I can rate my music, and then load a playlist that loads only tracks that rate 3-5 onto my ipod through itunes. The default droid music app doesn't even allow you to rate your music, so I had to search the droid market place for one that did. Double twist's player did, but guess what, the Doubletwist app doesn't make it easy or intuitive to create the same playlist, and load it onto the droid. Apple does this right, as they do with many other things on the iPod series.

As I said, I was really hoping the Desire would replace my iPod, and cell phone. All it was was a really expensive cell phone, because I had to turn everything off to make it last a day off the charger. What good is that?
WHICH ANDROID OS is everyone comparing other devices to? if you are comparing 2.1... DONT.. I have the EVO 4G on sprint with 2.2 and it is 10000000 times better... a lot of things people complained about on 2.1 are resolved on 2.2 ...

In Fact, my CUSTOM 2.2 ROM that I am running, IMO, is much better then ANY iPhone OS I have seen.. in fact I dont think (correct me if I am wrong) I have seen a CUSTOM ROM for the iPhone. On Android, there are so many flavors of the OS to run and ways to customize it!!
 
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bjojade

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In Fact, my CUSTOM 2.2 ROM that I am running, IMO, is much better then ANY iPhone OS I have seen.. in fact I dont think (correct me if I am wrong) I have seen a CUSTOM ROM for the iPhone. On Android, there are so many flavors of the OS to run and ways to customize it!!
And here lies part of the problem. There are way too many versions of the Android OS out there. Apps work fine on some versions and not on others. Some phones can't be upgraded to the new version because the carrier of the phone decided not to, even though the device is capable of the upgrade.

You can TRY custom ROM's, but at the risk of bricking your phone if anything goes wrong. That's even more drastic than jailbreaking an iPhone. And some carriers will cut off service if they find you using a custom ROM on your phone.
 

jimmie

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It's also worth noting that Android is starting to mature. Tim's point about how far it has come in such a short time is dead on. Google has said that their primary focus with the next OS upgrade (Gingerbread) is user interface enhancements. Google wants the stock Android experience to be so compelling that carriers will be less inclined to tweak it. They brought on the guy who designed the GUI on the Palm Pre to do it too. Say what you will about Palm, the Pre got some important things right.

Another step in the right direction that Google is taking is separating core OS components out into installable apps. The idea here is to make sure no one is left behind because their carrier/manufacturer has decided not to provide an update to your phone. This should help a lot with fragmentation by making sure everyone is able to update to the latest version of the OS.

Google has also made a few acquisitions which are likely to play a big role in Android's future. Simplify Media is a cloud-based music syncing service which works across devices and syncs with iTunes as well. Imagine buying a song on your computer and having it show up on your phone automatically, kind of like how the Kindle works when you buy a book!
 

Tim English

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Simplify Media is a cloud-based music syncing service which works across devices and syncs with iTunes as well. Imagine buying a song on your computer and having it show up on your phone automatically, kind of like how the Kindle works when you buy a book!
Android is in desperate need of an integrated media experience. Using Double Twist with the Amazon store doesn't compare to the iTunes experience. Luckily for me, I don't listen to music on any of my devices. I preview music from my subscriptions in front of my computer, then I hear enough of it at my gigs :) I am a podcast junkie, so I use Podtrapper on all my devices and it works great.

Even between 2.1 and 2.2 there were tons of improvements in the UI. I can't wait for Gingerbread.
 

JSMain

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Jimmie, I'm not confused.

This contest between Android and Apple is just like Mac vs. PC all over again. Even though Apple gets the credit for creating a new category in the market, the outcome will probably be very similar. A certain percentage of enthusiasts will pay a premium (the Mac tax) to use the Apple product and evangelize for it. The rest of us will use the device that will eventually be cheaper and more versatile.

BTW- The open nature of Android has allowed it to evolve rapidly. 12-18 months ago, Android was practically unusable. Now the UI on an HTC Incredible running 2.2 is every bit as good as the iPhone. Each iteration of the OS has brought significant improvements thus far, and Gingerbread is done and coming soon!

2.2 wasn't yet available for the desire when I returned it. It should be becoming available this month I believe, but that was outside my 30 day return period. I would have really liked to have kept the desire, but battery life would have had to have been 10000 times better too! Does 2.2 improve battery life?

Either way, I'm tied to a new contract for 2 years, so I won't be getting another until then.
 

unlimitedsounds

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2.2 DOES improve battery live and I hear the next version (which is coming out soon) improves it even more. HOWEVER any phone with a BIG screen running lots of background apps will use battery.. I am running a CUSTOM ROM and some special programs that SAVE battery life and it works wonders.. I couldnt be without my EVO 4G phone....
 

Tim English

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So far, each update has improved battery life a little. I expect it to get better.

That's the one thing I can say for the Fascinate by Samsung, it beats my Incredible's battery life by a WIDE margin. I don't even need to charge my Fascinate over night. I can charge it at my desk while I work, and won't need to charge again until well into the next day.
 

DJ Dr. Drax

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I still love my iPad. I just demoed the new OS4 upgrade for the iPad. WOW. It is even cooler now. I can't wait to be able to upgrade to OS4 for the ipad.
 

DJ Dave

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After using both the iphone and the Samsung Captivate, my wife decided she likes the Captivate waaaay better. I asked her about the battery and she said it last her fine throughout the day. She talks (a lot) text (a lot) and takes lots of pictures.

Me on the other hand don't need a smart phone. My dumb phone does what I need it to do.
 

NickyB

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Unlimitedsounds -

You CAN indeed make it wireless to control VDJ....and the app is available.
 
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