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bjojade

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Of course it doesn't do anything you can already do. It's just a computer. However, it's got its own feature set that's very unique. Do you NEED to replace existing gear? No. But if you're in the market already, it's got many advantages over netbooks. Performance, battery life, screen size, etc.

Being tied to an app store isn't a bad thing. You know where to get your apps from and don't have to scour the ends of the earth to find them. It's ALL RIGHT THERE. I see this as a bonus from the end user perspective. Yeah, you don't get to drive to the store and buy a CD and open the package to install software, enter in the 64 character security key 8 times because you can't tell if you're supposed to type 0's or O's, or 1's or l's. I'll miss that.

For a developer I see it as a downside as that's the only place I can sell, but it's also an upside as the developer just posts the software and collects the money as it sells.

It's like buying any new computer. Did Vista really let you do anything that XP didn't do? Did Windows 7?
 

DJSTEVEZ

DJ Emeritus
Apple iPad On Verizon Wireless, Well Sort Of

Apple fans have been waiting a long time for the mother company to utter a single, satisfying word in a press release: Verizon. That day finally came last week when Apple announced a version of the iPad would be sold in Verizon Wireless stores.
The strange thing is, this version of the iPad is simply a bundle that includes an iPad Wifi along with a Verizon MiFi personal hotspot. This is the same setup essentially anyone could have put together on their own from day one. Unfortunately CDMA is not built into the iPad just yet.
This is potentially good news, however, for Apple fans who want a Verizon Wireless based iPhone. It appears that Apple and Verizon are kicking off a partnership that will hopefully see CDMA based devices, compatible on the Verizon network, come to fruition. This would seem to conincide with the strong rumors that a Verizon version of the iPhone is destined to be released in early 2011.
For now, Verizon is offering a special rate on monthly service for customers who pick up the iPad/MiFi bundle. Plans start at $20 a month for 1 GB of data transfer. 3 GB and 5 GB data plans are also available for $35 and $50 a month respectively. These are equal to and in some cases better than AT&T’s offerings with the 3G version of the iPad.
Verizon Wireless stores will be opening early on October 28th in celebration of the release.
 

Scott Hanna

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I think there are some parallels here.

Years ago, when the apple personal computer came out, it was the best. But it soon got taken over by the PC because people had more choices....more manufacturers..more options.

A few years ago, apple came out with the groundbreaking iphone. In just a short time, android phones now have a bigger share of the market...because people have more choices, more manufacturers, more network options. I love my ipod and ipod touch, and certainly would have had an iphone if it was on a network I liked. But now, I've fallen for my droid x, and probably won't switch even if they do come over to verizon.

I just saw some date that showed smart phones usage was 17% android, 18% blackberry and 14% iphone, with android growing fastest.


As far as the ipad goes, I have not tried one yet. But no usb? How are people getting around that?
 
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JSMain

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With over 12 million iPads sold so far, I think it's far drom a flop that many here have predicted. I still don't have one, but still want one. As for the droid, I had an HTC desire for a couple weeks, and returned it. It's not any ipod touch replacement IMO. It's got a ways to go before I'd be ready to switch. It was on the charger, more than it was on my belt clip. What good is that if you can't use it because it's charging.
 

unlimitedsounds

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I too have an ANDROID PHONE (EVO4G on SPRINT). I can do so much more with this (plus if I had an IPAD I need the IPAD and a PHONE to get mobile internet).. From email, to web and much more.. and I am not locked to a MARKET for getting apps. I can also totally customize my phone with custom ROMS. Also, I can tether my phone to my laptop at GIGS to use with the premium features of VDJ. I just cant justify an ipad. what does one do with it. I also have a NETBOOK which does way more then the ipad. I can do word, excel, powerpoint etc and ANY windows APPS I want.. Im not locked to only marketplace apps. I also use the netbook for my DMX software and a backup for VDJ. I cant do that on the IPAD.. there is no USB ports and no way to run REAL mac software..

BTW - someone I work just got an iPAD for his birthday from his wife.. he has NO IDEA what he will do with it. I'll find out in a month or two what he has been doing.. When I asked what he planned to do, he said NO IDEA SINCE IT CANT RUN MAC SOFTWARE....
 
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DJ Dr. Drax

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Respectfully,

I have a droid, The facinate, the Flagship droid on Verizon because I wanted to develop our iPhone app for it. I have been using it for a month as one of my regular phones to give it a fair shake. So far it's ok, but I am not impressed. The only thing I can say is that the screen is very nice.

I have an iphone. The iPhone BLOWS Droid away hands down. The apps a clunky, many main apps like email are clunky as well.

On my iPhone I can delete emails easily in bulk without having to open each one individually. Syncing on my iphone doesn't share my data with Apple. With Droid it does with Google. Do you know that you HAVE to have a gmail account to even really set up a droid? Do you know that they force you to sync with THEIR cloud apps? More data mining & collection. Droid is so far behind the curve. Plus have you checked into the amount of data mining rights your giving over to Google? It's HUGE!

BTW there are still more iphones in the market than any other smartphone. Yes Androids are selling more, but the installed base of iPhone still blows it away. The ONLY thing that iPhone is really missing is a good network. I have tethered my iphone for some time, but not much point because the network blows.

App Development for Droid is also clunky. If you want to make an app for Droid your faced with nearly 250 different flavors of Droid OS to worry about! Then you also have to deal with the screen size issues. Trust me these are huge issues.

There are presently about 150K more apps in the app store than the Droid Market....

As for iPad, I LOVE it. I really didn't think I would but I do. I rarely ever take a laptop with me.

As for desktop apps, pages is $10 & I can do almost anything I want with it that I would do with word. Same for Excel & powerpoint. Files are easlity transferred wirelessly back & forth with my network.

It has USB, per se in that you can plug the iPad into any USB port. But I don't ever see the need to when I can sync wirelessly. I rarely type, I just dictate to it & it automatically transcribes it to text with Dragon, oh yes that was free too. I can run my DMX software & VDJ from my ipad, infact I can control my entire system from my iPad with RDP.

I have no idea why anyone would buy those under powered, bloatware laden netbooks. I hit the power button on my ipad & it's on, not booting, but on instantly & usable. Not so with a Netbook. You hit the button, wait for it to boot which takes about a minute or more, then start an app which takes about a min or more. then do what you want to do. maybe 5 minutes later your actually doing something useful. On my ipad I can hit the power butteon, & check my email in 4 seconds.! start watching a movie in the same time. Take a request & have it playing in the same time.

I LOVE my ipad. You couldn't give me a netbook. ok, you could but I would sell it immediately & use it for something useful. Did i mention I can run photoshop on my ipad? Did I mention that any app I want for the ipad is typically under $15? Try that with a netbook. Also Netbooks are typically tied to WinBlows bloatware. Not a good choice. Linux is the only really useful OS for Netbooks as it can be stripped down to be more DOS like & subsequently faster.

Battery Life. My droid dies in about half the time of my iPhone. My iPad 3G gets 10-11.5 hours routinely. Try that on a netbook! Your lucky, really lucky if you can get 6 hours once you start using wIFi or video.

BTW I am NOT an apple fan. I just love those two devices. They are best of breed for each catagory.
 
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Gino The G-Force

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I am truly anti-apple. I will not buy an ipod, ipad,iphone,imac or ianything. They are overpriced for what they are. So just because it has an i in the name it costs twice as much? Forget that.
Yes Android is half baked and the android market is fragmented. This is because there are so many different flavors of phones out there running the software. Its no different than pcs running windows. That may be the undoing of the Android market. The same goes for Blackberry. But the Blackberry Playbook looks very promising plus unlike the iPad, it actually has usb ports and is flash capable. Frankly, it will do anything the iPad can do and more, providing the software is there for it.

Drax, if you are still calling Windows, Winblows, you obviously haven't used Win7. Its easily the best thing Microsoft has ever done.

MacOS has never impressed me, in fact other than dock on the screen, its no different than Ubuntu. Its just another linux/Unix flavor that they charge a premium for.
 

Mark Evans

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I bought my 1st Mac back in 2007 and won't look back. You couldn't pay me to go back to a pc for my desktop. It's not perfect but for 4 years I have not had to reboot, run anti virus software, get maleware, adware, spyware or a virus on this unit. It does what I need it to do and next year I will be buying my next imac as well. I also have an ipod touch 4th generation and gave my son my older one. My daughter's have an ipod shuffle and an ipod touch and love them. My wife has a Sony walkman mp3 player and complains about it all the time. My son now has a macbook after I just bought him a dell desktop. Still got the blue screen of death 3 WEEKS AFTER I GOT IT but that was with Vista and super specked out. Sold it to my friend with Win7 on it and he loves it and says it is way faster than his old computer. I have the 3 pack of Win7 and put it on one of the computers. It's better but it's still windows.

Now Gino I am happy that you won't buy an apple product because I love people like you that keep buying PC's so that hackers keep coming after you because there are so many more of you :)

As for the ipad not yet. I bought one a few months ago and took it back because it did lack a lot of stuff I wanted. However when the next version comes out I may look at one again. I bought a kindle and it's ok, great to read books on it of course, but the nook just came out with the color nook. Curious as to what that can do. I'm not into all the games and as an ereader I though the ipad was a little heavy. If the new nook can play media files and add memory I may get one, Beside magazines looks great in color.
 

Gino The G-Force

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Mark, From an IT perspective, Macs are basically useless. Their networking capabilities are limited at best and god forbid if you're using and enterprise server. When Mac overcomes that hurdle, I will take another look at them.

Vista was a sorry excuse of an OS. It was buggy, laggy and bloated and was known for bsod issues. And If you closed the lid on your laptop before Vista had shut down, It would get confused and not reboot properly. Windows 7 is everything Vista was supposed to be and more. As a pc tech, the only Win7 BSOD I have seen was on a laptop with a bad stick of RAM.

I haven't been hacked or had a virus issue in 2 years. Thats partially because of my surfing habits, and knowing what email attachments not to open. Macs are not immune to virus's and in fact actually have more open security holes than PCs do. Just since they only account for a small % of computers out there, the hackers ignore them. They want to cause as much damage as possible so they go after Microsoft.
FYI, iphones have been hacked several times already, and it will continue to happen. The big guy will always be a target.
 
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Mark Evans

Mobile Beat Moderator
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Yes from an IT perspective they are but from a user/ video and graphic artist side these macs are awesome. I know macs can be hacked and attacked but it's just been nice for the last 4 years to not have to deal with it. Oh and the PC"s I use for the DJ biz are strictly for that so no viruses on either in 3 years. Of course the main system never goes online. I'm thinking about upgrading the one Dell inspiron to Win 7's but the bios won't let me. I have to go into the bios to change some settings. Just haven't really felt like dealing with that right now.

Back to the ipad and your regular discussion. :)
 

Partyman

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My perspective:

I own 9 Windows laptops, 4 desktops, a touchpad nebook w/wind7, An EVO 4G and an IPAD.

I am gonna say something I never thought I would, DRAX is 100% correct on his IPAD evaluations!!!!


I have never been a fan of Apple (also never owned one) until the IPAD.

The IPAD is in a different category completely from the netbooks. I recently bought the Touchscreen Netbook thinking I would prefer it and the additional featureset more than my IPAD. Anyone wanna buy a brand new Touchscreen netbook for $300. After about 2 hours of netbook use I knew that it was not in the same league as the IPAD.

Nope the IPAD cannot do alot of things that the netbook can do but the netbook is the "Hyundai" of portable computer devices and the IPAD is the "Mercedes". Ever wondered why a fully loaded "Hyundai" is $25k and a stripped down "Mercedes" is $60k. All you have to do is drive both vehicles and you will understand.

It does not matter to me what choice you make or don't make but PLEASE don't pass judgements on the IPAD if you have never used one. That just makes you an uninformed hater and noone will respect what you say.

Rusty
 

jimmie

DJ of the year
Respectfully,

I have a droid, The facinate, the Flagship droid on Verizon because I wanted to develop our iPhone app for it. I have been using it for a month as one of my regular phones to give it a fair shake. So far it's ok, but I am not impressed. The only thing I can say is that the screen is very nice.

I have an iphone. The iPhone BLOWS Droid away hands down.
Respectfully, the Fascinate is not the flagship of Verizon's Droid lineup. Keith Alan brought one to the Wedding MBA in Vegas and after playing with it for less than two minutes my immediate advice was to return it and get the Incredible. HTC has got it right with their Sense interface. Please do yourself a favor and try more than one Android phone before writing off the entire platform.

The iPhone user experience is better than the best Android phone, but at this point I will be sticking with Android for the foreseeable future. I'm actually using a Droid 1 while my wife has the Incredible.

Combining an iPad and a Droid gets you the best of both worlds. On my last two business trips I left the laptop at home and was able to do everything I wanted with these two devices.

The iPad gets 10 hours on a charge easily getting you through an entire day of work. Here's a small list of the ways in which I'm using mine:

It has become my primary internet/email conduit.

Flying to Vegas, I used it to watch movies on the plane.

I've started reading a book on the Kindle app. I didn't think I'd like it but find it to be quite enjoyable.

I use remote desktop software to control my DJ computer and monitor my photo booth computer at events.

I have it loaded with photos, videos and PDFs and now use it as my primary sales presentation tool.

I use it with a bluetooth keyboard to write my introductions and love stories, which I now read off the iPad at events instead of printing them on paper or index cards. I also store my timeline on the iPad.

At the last bridal show I did, instead of having people write down their info I entered it directly into my DJ Event Planner contact form on my website.

Here's how much of a geek I am, at the same bridal show I showed demo videos to people I was talking to and I used a lav mic with an instrument cable to send the sound through a Bose L1 Compact.

I haven't been doing this yet, but there is a pretty good WordPress app and I plan to start using it for mobile blogging.


It's easy to scoff at the idea of another device that doesn't do half as much as a netbook which can be had for much less money. The thing is, the iPad isn't trying to replace your laptop entirely. What the iPad does well, it generally does much better than a computer. When I'm showing couples pictures of their venue, I hand them the iPad and let them flip through it themselves. This is engaging the audience in a whole new way.

As a media consumption device, it has no equal. I can easily see having all of my magazine and newspaper subscriptions on this thing in a few years time. For the first time I can really see how it would be possible to go paperless. I read where some comic book store owner was lamenting how the iPad would eventually kill the paper comic book, but he figured it would at least take ten years. I think it will happen far quicker. I'd say less than 5 years, possibly 3 years, before anything that you can get on paper will be available for tablets. The transition to digital print is going to be much faster than the transition to digital music.

I didn't read this whole thread, but a couple of posts by unlimited sounds caught my eye. It's fine to not want something. It's entirely different to think that no one else should want one either.

This concludes my random visit to ProDJ. See you guys in a few months/years!
 

unlimitedsounds

Active Member
I hear what everyone says... BUT I still cant justify an iPAD... I have an EVO 4G.. LOVE IT!! I have a NETBOOK!! I can tether my EVO to my netbook and do everything.. BUT I can do 90% of everything on my EVO. NOW, for a backup when I DJ. the iPAD wont cut it at all. I need a backup for VDJ.. I need to CUE.. I need to run LUMIDESK.. Can I do any of this on the iPad?? NOPE..

Just my 2 cents...
 

Tim English

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Drax,
I'm not surprised you don't like the Fascinate. It's a horrible phone, mostly due to Samsung's UI. There's a million little things I don't like about it, like how it turns the button lights off prematurely, and where the send button is when you're typing a text, or the way it covers what you're typing with a box that gives you suggested words as you type. You would have a much better experience with a handset made by Motorola or HTC. I own all 3, including the Fascinate. If you want the pure Android experience, you have that choice too, the Nexus 1.

You CAN use an Android without a Gmail account. Unlike the iPhone or iPad, which both require you to have an iTunes account before you can even unlock the device.

You are right about Apple having 150k more apps. Unfortunately, 149k are flashlights. The few really obvious holes in the Android app store (like Netflix) are being fixed every day.

The iPhone is still a great device for certain people. I recommended the iPhone over an Android to my grandparents for example. But my grandparents don't care that Apple blocks apps from companies that Steve Jobs dislikes. So the iPhone is perfect for them! But the future is definitely Android.
 

Tim English

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One more thing... for those of you considering using an iPad for DJ work, keep in mind that Apple can reach into your device and disable any app or feature they want AT WILL.

And... the last time I looked for a DJ app for my iPhone, there were none available that played mp3 files. Apple says that you are not allowed to have an mp3 player on your phone because the phone comes with an mp3 player, and they do not allow "duplicate functionality." The only way to do it was to get a DJ app that first converts the music to a proprietary format. I don't know if they changed that, but it's still some great insight into how Apple thinks.
 

unlimitedsounds

Active Member
MOST iPhone apps are mostly a web site packed into an APP..

I honestly think ANDROID is the way to go. we now even have ANDROID tablets!!
 

DJ Dr. Drax

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Gino,

I have win 7 Professional & Ultimate. It is to Vista what XP was to ME. However that said, I like windows. However on Netbooks it blows. Too bulky too bloated for what is basically a modest chip. The Atom is really more of a Cellphone chip than a laptop chip.

Jimmie, Tim,

That's what Verizon was telling me at their store & on their business support line.

I looked at & had both a Droid X & an Incredible. Tested them before I got the Fascinate. Hated them both. Droid X was a brick in my pocket. Incredible was just not that intuitive.

You can blame Samsung's UI, but in the end it is the problem with Droid. Too many flavors IMO to try to develop to.

I haven't found 149K flashlights. Rather I find most droid apps useless. I HATE the iphone as phone because it's on a crap network.

I don't care about what apps seem to get blocked, I never cared for porn anyway.

I am NOT an apple zealot. I simply know that nothing I have seen or used comes anywhere close to my ipad.

the iphone, it still needs a better network.

I am still trying to give Droid a fair shot, but having had the 3 "best" I am unimpressed to say the least.
 
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bjojade

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One more thing... for those of you considering using an iPad for DJ work, keep in mind that Apple can reach into your device and disable any app or feature they want AT WILL.
Android has the capability to pull apps from your device as well. Apple put this functionality in the phone to be able to remove malicious apps that may have slipped through their authorization process. It has not been used to remove apps that were removed from the App Store.

If you like to tinker with your device, Android lets you do that. Unfortunately, everything about an Android phone seems unfinished. Things just don't work right half the time. A great example is on the FaceBook app, even after today's update does not respect landscape mode on the home screen, but does on all the other screens. What's up with that?

And the total number of apps that are available on either platform doesn't matter, as most on both platforms are crap, on the iOS, there are some truly amazing apps available. I've yet to be as impressed with anything I've seen on the Android.

As far as Android OS on tablets, even Google says Android 2.2 isn't a good choice as a tablet os, and you should wait for the next version.
 

-bp-

For Position Only
It's really the medical profession that consider's the iPad a quantum leap forward. Some of the articles I've read projecting what the iPad and the tablet revolution will mean for health care in gereral is, while forward leaning and hopeful, pretty astounding. Of course, to quote that sublime Avery Brooks IBM commercials from a few years back, "Where are the flying cars?"

Let's relive it now and laugh at Lotus, shall we?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzm6pvHPSGo
 

Tim English

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I don't care about what apps seem to get blocked, I never cared for porn anyway.
Lol. I was thinking more of apps like Qik, Sling, Skype, Google Voice, Google Listen etc... but you can make a soft accusation that I'm a perv if it makes you feel better.

Blocking something like Google Voice is not trivial. Google Voice is probably the most important thing to happen to telephony since voip.
 
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