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Mark Evans

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With summer right around the corner, how do they work outside? Correct me if I am wrong, but this product has only been in the consumers hands for FOUR days, hence jury is still out for me. I am still crazy about my I touch. For me, the best feature is that I can carry it around in my pocket.

It's been on the news today that some ipads are overheating and in most cases have been from units that were out in the sun for a while.

Drax and everyone else is right about these. There is a need/want for them but not for everybody. In his case traveling, I would love to have one. Those seats in coach are pretty small and we usually watch movies while we fly. The size and weight of the ipad would make it ideal for that, if I traveled alot. :)
 

Jason Cathcart

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Why is it that as soon as you don't see the usefullness of a Mac product the Macfans start calling you closeminded?

Yup - they took the geek out of the computer - I guess it doesn't help that I'm a geek, and I want to be able to geek out on my highly capable piece of technology. Apple does not want me to geek out though - so they lock the damn thing. I can only do the things they approve of on the piece of equipment that I bought and paid for? That doesn't fly for many people.

Here's my thing - its more expensive than a more capable laptop or desktop. Fine - its got a form factor that people will pay for. But if I'm going to pay that premium I want to be able to do what I WANT with the thing, not what Apple dictates. Its not that I'm close minded - its that the iPad is a closed system. I want to be able to see the inner workings of the thing, and tinker with it. I'd like to be able to get to a command line on my PC - which, don't kid yourself, is what the iPad really is - just with a dumbed down interface.
 

DJ Dave

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....but the ipad has an app that filters urine and makes salsa. WOW!

Seriously, it does look like a nice toy but I can't see a real use for me unless it will do my homework for me.
 

unlimitedsounds

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between this board and another one, people have been harping on us that keep showing WHAT can not be done with it.. No one has said what CAN be done with it other then what can already be done with cheaper more capable systems already available for MUCH cheaper.. Sure I can watch movies on an airplane.. BUT you can do that on other devices that are cheaper..
 

DJ Dr. Drax

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Jason,

Can you tinker with your Verizon Cell phone? Nope. Can you tinker with the flat panel TV? nope. They are all closed systems.

I am a geek, I love to tinker. BUT I also understand that there are somethings I don't want to tinker with.

Unlimited.

I LOVE the form factor & design. I like what it does. I would NEVER really do any serious web surfing on a PDA phone. I too have more than 64GB of music. BUT I don't NEED it to successfully do an event.

I will never DJ from it, But I will use it at meetings & to do presentations. I am working on a way to run Keynote on it using my iphone as the clicker.... That could be just kinda cool.

I like this thing alot. Read the other ipad thread. I really didn't get warm for it until I held one in my hands a few weeks back. Then, well it was a different thing. I am glad it doesn't have e ink, I hate their display. The whole kindle to be looks like it was made by leapfrog. I am sure that there are things that the HP slate will do that this won't. I will probably get a slate too if it really lives up to the hype.

FOr me this is a known quantity right out of the box. I have only had mine a short time. I will give you honest feedback soon. Remember, I am NOT an apple fanatic.


Bill,

If you dropped it the only thing that would happen is the screen would probably crack. Many iphones have cracked screens & still work fine. Try dropping any netbook or lappy. Same result, only because of the hinge if dropped open you'll now have two pieces.

With anything there are pros & cons. You simply have to weigh if there are more pros than cons for you. For me, I love the sleek design. I really like the fluidity of using it. I really, really like it more the more I use it. Will I always love it? Maybe not. But I still love my old 486 66Mhz PC that to this day runs cad better than many of my icore5 & seven systems.
 

unlimitedsounds

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Jason,

Can you tinker with your Verizon Cell phone? Nope. Can you tinker with the flat panel TV? nope. They are all closed systems.

I am a geek, I love to tinker. BUT I also understand that there are somethings I don't want to tinker with.

Unlimited.

I LOVE the form factor & design. I like what it does. I would NEVER really do any serious web surfing on a PDA phone. I too have more than 64GB of music. BUT I don't NEED it to successfully do an event.

I will never DJ from it, But I will use it at meetings & to do presentations. I am working on a way to run Keynote on it using my iphone as the clicker.... That could be just kinda cool.

I like this thing alot. Read the other ipad thread. I really didn't get warm for it until I held one in my hands a few weeks back. Then, well it was a different thing. I am glad it doesn't have e ink, I hate their display. The whole kindle to be looks like it was made by leapfrog. I am sure that there are things that the HP slate will do that this won't. I will probably get a slate too if it really lives up to the hype.

FOr me this is a known quantity right out of the box. I have only had mine a short time. I will give you honest feedback soon. Remember, I am NOT an apple fanatic.

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Honestly, I dont see any easy way to DJ from it.. I need to be able to CUE music.. can you.. NO.. how do I get multi-channel output from it? its no better then what I do now for music backup with is my IPOD. As far as the kindle or sony ebook reader.. those both use E-INK which the iPad does not.. E-ink looks just like printed pages.. thats what you want for electronic book reading.. when I go to a presentation, I use my netbook.. WHY, because I can use MS OFFICE and have had clients give me video clips etc on a memory key and I can put them onto the netbook and show them on a projector...

I guess if you have a use for the iPad then great.. I dont and I bet most people wont... but I could be wrong....
 
However, for what I need it to do, it does it very well, weighs less than a netbook, fits into my slim portfolio case & it is really, really fast.


As do most laptops.. But that fact that you need a “case” to carry it is what will keep this thing at home on your desk.. Just like the fancy digital camera that is never around when you want it… But your phone camera is… Why? Because it fits in your pocket…

This product looks great for the iPhone user who wishes his iPhone was the size of a TV dinner..


For me, the best feature is that I can carry it around in my pocket.

Unless you are a kangaroo or wearing a clown costume I don’t see how this is possible..

Why is it that as soon as you don't see the usefullness of a Mac product the Macfans start calling you closeminded?.

Here, here.. I am just casting my doubts on how this thing will find its way to the average consumer…. Not how it will intice the Mac fanatic, or the edgey trend setter… Just how will it find its way into the American mainstream marketplace, as iTunes, the iPhone and the iPod all did.. And I am a Mac user, btw.. But I don’t attend the church services!
 

DJ Dr. Drax

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Daniel,

The case I am referring to is the slim portfolio case I carry with me literally everywhere. This is a game changer on personal computing.

The HP slate will be a WIN7 device. Can you say really slow? I am enjoying the ipad & will write a review of it when I am done.
 

unlimitedsounds

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HOWEVER, the HP slate wont be a closed device.. meaning that I wont be limited to only apps the manufacturer wants you to have. It will be windows 7 so I should be able to install my DMX software, virtual DJ and other things.. and probably do them without having to sync with anything... I bet I will be able to hook up external devices and storage.

I think I said this before, I am not against apple, I just dont see a need for a $500+ device that is LIMITED to what you can do. If it was an intel processor that ran OSX and I could install parallels or something to run windows and I could have installed what I think I would use this device for then it might have been a device I would have considered. As it is now, its nothing more then a an IPOD TOUCH with a larger screen.
 

hippydog

wuz here when it was Red.
The Ipad seems cool, but the more I looked at it, the more I think its just an Ipod touch with a bigger screen..

and its price doesnt justify its little niche..

I predict a flop..
Yes.. at first people will line up for a few months, then apple will be begging people to buy one.
 

JSMain

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Why is it that as soon as you don't see the usefullness of a Mac product the Macfans start calling you closeminded?
I'm not a Mac fan.
I don't own anything apple outside of an iPod touch.

I claim closed minded because some don't see the potential this thing brings to the table. To them, it's simply an oversized iPod.

As I understand it, there is an app available from gotomypc that allows you to control your system remotely.

As A DJ, I find that, in itself to be great, as I have ultimate control of my system amoung the crowd, remotely. This thing to me, would be the ultimate remote, that also allows me to have my show notes readily available. I could also use it for planning sessions out of office (Yes I know, I could use a laptop for this as well, but I'm not going to use a laptop, standing up now, am I? How awkward is that?)
 

unlimitedsounds

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ok so basically we are on a $500+ dumb terminal and note taker... and it will SURF the NET but only if you are near wireless (unless you want to pay over $800 for ATT and you wont be able to make a phone call with it).. Having show notes?? I have them on my Touch PRO 2 and I also have had them in PDF on my DJ laptop....

thats all I hear people saying so far - NOTE TAKER, email, dumb terminal to control another computer...

my $250 netbook teathered to my sprint TP2 does all this and more..

Please someone tell me the usefullness of this at the current price.. when it gets down to about $200 or less I might get one.. maybe by then there will be another version that does more...

One of the worst things is that its a CLOSED system... meaning I cant install what I want... I want one that I can install my DMX software or virtual DJ.. or something I would use.. SURE there are some COOL programs for the iPhone or iPod but are they useful to my business? not really...

I dont have a closed mind, but, You are right, I dont see the potential of this.. If it was $200 maybe. but $500+ nope..I dont use a laptop standing up but I do have my notes on my PDA phone and read it there...
 

JSMain

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Obviously you can operate your laptop/netbook, while standing with it cradled in your arm. ;)
 

Greg Wymer

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Why is the iPhone still the coolest smart phone even though it's a closed proprietary system? And even though many think Google's phones are a better interface?

The answer is the app store. Developers understand the power and potential audience of users and are creating apps that can do things that the average netbook or laptop can't.

In 6 months time, the same breadth of apps that currently exists for the iPhone will also exist for the iPad. And that's the power of this device. Drax mentioned the ability to process credit cards using it as just one example. Can you do that with your laptop without a swipe card peripheral? Yeah, you can use PayPal or some other service, but that doesn't allow for a customer signature. Again, just one example.

I'm watching and very interested. Waiting for the second gen version to come out before I'd buy, but I do believe that this is a game changer.
 

DJ Dr. Drax

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Man, people really don't get it.

Today I bought an RDP app that lets me have FULL CONTROL of MY DJ CPS. or any of my systems. I can even manage my servers in Nev with virtual client tools that were FREE. That means I can run ALL my DJ systems controls & functions from the ipad including DJPOWER, Light Jockey etc.

Oh by the way, I can also use it for PPT presentations using my iphone as the clicker. try that with a netbook.
I just downloaded a DMX color app for using in presentations to help clients decide about uplighting colors. I also have an app that let's me print anywhere.
Yes you need WiFi, I don't know about anyone else but even my DJ system was a Wifi Hub installed.

Look I am NOT a MAC fan or even an APPLE fan. I howver very much understand the purpose built intention.

The HP slate is GOING TO BE A DOG. The Atom processor coupled with Win7 will be a disaster. I have looked at every netbook running win 7, & you either have the crippled version of the OS or you have to move to Linux. The Win7 netbooks I have tested are all DOGS. NONE of them really have the horsepower to run major apps.

This device might not be for everyone. BUT I too was very skeptical until I actually used one for an hour. Then I bought it. I prefer it to kindle for book reading. I have bought a dozen titles that I wouldn't have otherwise. Also in the ibookstore I downloaded for FREE over 40 titles of classic literature that I haven't enjoyed in decades.

Not every device is meant for everyone. That's ok, it's like DJPOWER or OTS, not everyone will see the value. For me the form factor & intelligent industrial design are very attractive. I like that it slips nicely into my portfolio or my day planner. I have just added a digital paper pad system to my portfolio & guess what? I can now use the iPad & the whitepaper/board together wirelessly.

I have owned every smart phone that has ever been released since it was called pocket PC.. I now have an iphone. Why? It simply blows the rest away. It's a crappy phone, but that is only because it's on a crappy network. I now am retro grading to a plain simple flip phone for making calls. The iphone for me became the best PDA on the planet. Why?

The APP store. The shear volume of users & buys of apps was enough for me to become an app developer. So far it is doing very well. I expect to have the Newest app in the store within a couple months all things being equal.
 
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Jason Cathcart

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Not trying to be a dingus Drax, but don't tell me I don't get it...

Everything you mention I can do from my iPhone or my netbook. I can hook my netbook up to a projector and use my iPhone as a clicker - no problem. I RDP into my PCs using my iPhone and Logmein - again no problem.

As far as Atom's being dogs - yes - maybe if you run the installed OS. I have a netbook that I use as my HTPC pushing 1080P and 5.1 sound without more than 25% load on the CPU. Windows 7 Pro is running on that one.

The iPad is a cool toy - but I hear way too much crowing about how its going to change the world of computing.
 

Gino The G-Force

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There are already many reports referencing applications freezing requiring reboots of the iPad. I said it elswhere, this will be referred to as the iFail.
While the Slate is a step in the right direction having most of the features the ipad should have had (flash, usb and more...) it comes from the manufacturer with the worst reliability numbers. HP has a laptop failure rate over 1 in 4. That doesn't exactly instill confidence.

Drax, in reference to the netbooks being underpowered, there is a reason for that. They are optimized not for speed, but for battery life. The most potent netbooks are the ones with the dual core Z series atom processors. They seem to be fairly difficult to find these days or at least they are in my local retailers. I picked up an Aspire One AOS751h. It came with an 11.5 inch screen and the z530 Atom. The battery life suffered big time due to the dual core processor and bigger screen, but it humms along nicely with Win 7 and regular daily tasks. Video works surprisingly well on this. But do not expect this to be a video editing rig. It was not made for that. It worked flawlessly in the two nights I used it for a karaoke show and the one night I had a HD failure and used it as my back up music player with VDJ. There is nothing wrong with netbooks as long as you remember their purpose.
 
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