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The iPad does seem to be giving Amazon pressure on the Kindle. If I was thinking of getting a Kindle, I would seriously consider spending an extra $240 for the iPad since it has color and does a whole lot more.
The big thing is that the Kindle is much more readable, especially for long-term reading.. People that are really into sitting down and doing a lot of reading will apparently enjoy the Kindle much more...

On Fallon, they were showing how when you turn the pages on the iPad, it looks like turning a real page.. I consider this a total gimmick that will get old during the first hour spent reading with it.. If not sooner..

When I am really into a specific task, such as book reading in this case, I tend to like devices that do that one task exceptionally well.. As opposed to doing many things pretty good..
 

Jason Cathcart

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I think this one will join Apple's Newton... My prediction is a quick rush by enthusiasts, but ultimately complete failure in attracting the mass market that took to the ipod and the iphone...
Funny that you mention the Newton. I saw a comparison done between the Newton and the iPhone and the Newton came out ahead because of capabilities - like the ability to reach a command prompt, an easy way to move files to the device etc. In fact it was way ahead of its time. My uncle had one, and it was exceptionally cool at the time.

However, I don't suspect that the iPad will be considered ahead of its time... I haven't had hands on with one yet - but I do have an iPhone. Its limitations, which are largely the same as the iPad, bug me - I should have gone with an HTC product.

The iPad does seem to be giving Amazon pressure on the Kindle. If I was thinking of getting a Kindle, I would seriously consider spending an extra $240 for the iPad since it has color and does a whole lot more.
This may be true - but the Kindle is another one of those devices that I just don't get. Why do I need a device specifically designed for reading books? Are paperback's too big for people? I think the Kindle is bigger isn't it? Yea - I know not all books are in paperback - but the Kindle just seems like a device looking to be a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
 

unlimitedsounds

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a kindle or sony ebok reader have a different type of screen that looks like real paper and make it easy to read.. the IPAD is nothing more then reading off of a computer screen....
 

unlimitedsounds

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The iPad does seem to be giving Amazon pressure on the Kindle. If I was thinking of getting a Kindle, I would seriously consider spending an extra $240 for the iPad since it has color and does a whole lot more.
Here is something I found online:


The biggest open question regarding the iPad's potential as an e-reader relates to its bright, LED-backlit display. Amazon's Kindle uses E Ink, which--while much duller and darker than an LED screen--is decidedly easy on the eyes. I can read my Kindle for hours, with no eyestrain afterwards. But before I bought the Kindle, I tested myself (to see if I would actually stick with an e-reader) using the Kindle app for iPhone. And while I did read several full books on the iPhone, the eye impact was definitely noticeable; I needed frequent breaks from the brightness to rest my eyes.

Eventually, the Kindle app added a "nighttime" mode, where the app offered white text on a black background. That made reading, particularly at night, far less bothersome, and I could go for far longer stretches. But again, once I started reading on a genuine hardware Kindle, the eyestrain was no different from reading an actual book (remember those?).

For the iPad to compete, then, Apple needs to figure out a way to keep things as easy on the eyes as possible, while using that LED screen. The iBooks demo revealed that Apple's reader app shows the text as a virtual book--you can see the pages "behind" the one you're on in portrait mode, and landscape mode actually shows facing pages of the book realistically. Will iBooks offer a white-on-black mode? I don't know how weird it would look to show a photo-realistic book with black pages, but an approach like that seems necessary for extended reading times.

A second big question for me is how the iPad will handle bed-based reading. Using the iPhone while lying down can be a small exercise in madness; the screen often wants to flip to landscape mode, even though you're holding the iPhone vertically. (That's because the accelerometer can't work its magic quite as well when you're in that position.) The Kindle app eventually addressed this shortcoming with an orientation-locking mode. Frankly, I think the iPad will need such a feature system-wide (you won't want other apps flipping on you either), but it's an absolute must for iBooks.

A third feature of the Kindle that I didn't initially see the need for, but I've now grown quite fond of, is the integrated dictionary. You can move the cursor (painfully slowly, given the Kindle's lack of a touchscreen) to the word in question, and a definition appears along the bottom edge of the screen, without obscuring any of the book's text. If I could double-tap a word on the iPad to get an easily-dismissible definition popover, I'd be delighted. Apple hasn't demoed such a feature thus far, but let's keep hoping.
 

MattBecker

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A second big question for me is how the iPad will handle bed-based reading. Using the iPhone while lying down can be a small exercise in madness; the screen often wants to flip to landscape mode, even though you're holding the iPhone vertically. (That's because the accelerometer can't work its magic quite as well when you're in that position.) ...Frankly, I think the iPad will need such a feature system-wide...
The iPad has an orientation lock. An actual hardware switch so it's always readily available.
 

MattBecker

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the IPAD is a waste... what can one do with it? no flash, no external storage etc.. its basically an oversized IPOD TOUCH...
I assume you are talking about Adobe Flash Player. Not flash memory, if so, apologies.

The problem with flash on iPhone/iPod/iPad is the touch-screen interface. Flash fundamentally needs a mouse pointer to operate correctly. A touch-screen interface like the iPad just doesn't have one.

Knowing that little tidbit doesn't make it any easier when you come across flash-based content. But a lot of companies will be offering the same content in alternate formats. It's just a matter of time.
 

unlimitedsounds

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As far AS I KNOW... it runs the same OS as the IPOD TOUCH or IPHONE... you cant install VDJ for MAC and you cant install anything except for what is in the apple store (you can probably jail break it and then install other not apple store apps but it will still be iphone type apps). It doesn’t make a good book reader as the screen isn’t the same EINK http://www.eink.com/ display as any of the book readers out there. It’s no better than reading a book on my SPRINT TP2 or my netbook. A netbook has at least 1GB of ram and at least 160GB hard drive and in some cases people have upgraded to a bigger hard drive. You are limited to at most 64GB on the iPAD. On my netbook I can run my DMX SOFTWARE and USB CONTROLLER, virtual DJ as a backup (with the maya 44 USB). YOU CAN’T do any of that on the iPAD. I also have OFFICE 2007 on my NETBOOK, which has a VGA output so I can connect to a projector)... Oh and the argument that at lot of sites are switching to HTML5.. I dont want to hear that.. I want to use the sites that are OUT NOW and I cant.. EVEN on my SPRNT TP2 we can do some form of FLASH using a WEB BROWSER called SKYFIRE....

Now, can someone tell me WHAT can WE do with this thing and WHAT you will be using them for. Why spend around $700 for a 64GB ipad that that doesnt do very much when you can get a netbook with 1gb ram and a 25GB hard drive and a 10" screen, USB etc for less then $300 http://www.walmart.com/ip/Asus-10.1-250-GB-1005HA-MU17-BK/13059495?sourceid=1500000000000003142050&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=13059495
 

DJ Dr. Drax

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Anyone that knows me knows I am not an apple fanatic. however that said,

I have one, why? Simple. It is great at what it does. When I am on the road, it's easy to browse email & web & to create working docs with it's productivity apps. It runs all my iphone apps. I can even process credit cards with out a swiper, but still get card present rates because of the signature line. How cool is that?

Most the issues that people don't like on an iphone can be hacked around. I haven't found a real reason to do so yet.

Personally I can do anything I want to do on an ipad or iphone while traveling.

No, I can't really edit video well or design with cad tools, ot sophisticated things like that.

I had a real reality moment regarding about what I actually did with my laptop while traveling. I kept track of it for the past year, while considering a netbook.

Bottomline, I don't do anything while traveling that requires more than what the ipad does.

I like it's form factor better than a netbook, & I like the size & weight reduction. I might now even get a useful carry on bag back when I travel instead of my laptop bag.

I see the ipad as positioned exactly where they placed it. It is BLAZING fast. It blows any netboook I have tested away.

Flash is a CPU pig. It makes sites load slow anyway on most computers. Flash is just so 2000. It's dead, less & less platforms are supporting it.

Not having external storage is not a big deal, it has 64GB that is more than my first DJ system!

I predid that this will be a big hit & a game changer.
 

unlimitedsounds

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OK you you are doing email, basic web browsing and processing credit cards? it runs IPHONE APPS.. if you already have an iphone you can do this.. if you dont, as I do not, I can do all of that (with the exception of the iphone apps which I dont care about) on my Sprint TP2 (which IMO is an iphone killer except for a few cool iphone apps).. No one is talking about CAD or EDITING VIDEO as you cant even do that well on a NETBOOK.. BUT for what a netbook does, it beats the iPAD.

I dont need to spendaround $800 top get a 64MB IPAD TO surf and do email and maybe type some letters..

Now, you said:
"I had a real reality moment regarding about what I actually did with my laptop while traveling. I kept track of it for the past year, while considering a netbook.

Bottomline, I don't do anything while traveling that requires more than what the ipad does. "

BUT, tell me why I should spend that much money to get an IPAD to surf, email and run a few iphone apps?? I took my netbook with me to hawaii.. I was able to email, web, and connect my HD video camera an still cameras to it, download the photos and video to the netbook and then upload it to a web site for people to view. I was also able to plug in someones USB key and grab some photos and video from that. My netbook also has card readers so I was able to GRAB my Wifes SD CARD from HER camera and upload photos.

Also as I keep saying, I have my netbook set up as a backup for my VDJ, and it runs my lumidesk DMX.. I cant do any of this on the Ipad.. I already own a SPRINT HTC TP2 which in all reality does exactly what the Ipad does (and its a phone). If I was interested in any iPhone apps, I would just get a Ipod touch
 

DJ Dr. Drax

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Surfing the web on a phone sucks. I don't care what phone you have. It blows.
Way to much pan & zoom. Same for email. Ever try really tring to read a lengthy
email on a phone? It's a PITA. Same for responding to an email. a phone is NOT
a good platform to write on. I have written a 4 page doc on the ipad. I would NEVER
want to do it on a phone. A netbook is ok, for that, but I don't really want the weight.
I like the ipad form factor. I also like it as a ebook reader.

Can you do involved spreadsheets on your phone easily?
Can you create & present PPT from your iphone? I can but who would want to.
the screen size is very small. Who really wants to watch mobile video from a 2" screen?
not me.

Credit cards it is easier to sign on the iPad than a small screen.
Netbooks weigh more, battery life is less, pure speed is less.

I have looked them over carefully. I no longer want an Netbook.
When I am on travel, I don't need to download photos etc. That is why they invented
chips. I simply have enough to do what I want to do. Additionally There will b a non
PC way to add files to the ipad. It already exists for ipods.

For me it serves my needs better than an iphone or a netbook.
 

bjojade

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Apple took the 'geek' out of computing with this one. You don't need a million different connection types that are rarely used on this small device. It does what it does extremely well. Performance is OUTSTANDING. Netbooks can be had far cheaper, but they are utter crap by comparison.

As a DJ system, the 3G iPad would be AWESOME. Who cares that you are limited to 64GB of capacity. You fill your library with your most popular tracks and then buy tracks off iTunes as you need them until it's full. There's no real need to have all the tracks on the machine at once as long as you have an internet connection!

And getting to a command prompt makes the newton better? Really? Yeah, if you want to geek out, sure. But the iPad is designed to make the computer invisible. What you really want is the CONTENT that is on the machine. Who cares about how it works as long as you get what you want done!

We have had tons of people come in to see the iPads, and the consensus after playing with it is WOW. Until you actually use one, you don't realize what it's capable of.
 

DJ Dr. Drax

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I am no apple fan, there is plenty of stuff that would irritate me about everything Apple has built.

However, for what I need it to do, it does it very well, weighs less than a netbook, fits into my slim portfolio case & it is really, really fast.
 

unlimitedsounds

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OK.. I'll stick with my iBook.. I dont go on the 64G is enough for music... I bring over 500GB of music.. Do I need it all. NO, but its there for when someone requests it. also 99% of the gigs I do do NOT have internet access. Sure I can set my TP2 as a wireless router to connect to the iPad but WHY?? why do I want to bother with BUYING music and waiting for it to download at a gig? also I use VIRTUAL DJ. how do I do that on the iPAD?

Take a look at these videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlaBfmNvzL4&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZuKf3HSeIk&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eroOSQ4lFGc&feature=player_embedded

I used my ibook for DMX, virtual DJ as a backup and second system with my Maya 44 USB, and even to hook to a projector to do powerpoint.....
 

JSMain

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Drax, You're wasting your breath here.
Reminds me alot of the old days with the software wars. Some just don't get it.

The fact that you have more real estate to do your work, within a fast, friendly, and familiar OS as your phone, but in a much more usable, larger format, with a few additional capabilities... Doesn't compute for these guys.

Outside of these few closed minded folks though, the iPad seems to be a big hit.
Do you think, if they ever had the opportunity to handle one in person, that they'd change their mind about them?
 

bobbyd

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With summer right around the corner, how do they work outside? Correct me if I am wrong, but this product has only been in the consumers hands for FOUR days, hence jury is still out for me. I am still crazy about my I touch. For me, the best feature is that I can carry it around in my pocket.
 

bjojade

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Drax, You're wasting your breath here.
Reminds me alot of the old days with the software wars. Some just don't get it.

The fact that you have more real estate to do your work, within a fast, friendly, and familiar OS as your phone, but in a much more usable, larger format, with a few additional capabilities... Doesn't compute for these guys.

Outside of these few closed minded folks though, the iPad seems to be a big hit.
Do you think, if they ever had the opportunity to handle one in person, that they'd change their mind about them?
So exactly right. Is the iPad a direct replacement for a full blown computer? Of course not. But if you could have a few iPads as your DJ station, how cool would that be? One to run your lights, one for your music, one for backup, etc.

Can you do things the exact same way you did before? Of course not. That's not the point of the device. You need to re-think how you do things for it to make sense.

If you insist on having 500GB of music available to you, then no, it won't all fit on the iPad. (although there is probably a way to access a network drive full of music)

If you want to run the exact same app as you do on your PC, no it won't do that, obviously. However, you COULD install VNC on the machine and remote control your PC, thus having everything there that you need.

The iPad is a DIFFERENT way to access your content. It doesn't have every feature under the sun which makes computers so confusing. Less choice makes it EASIER to understand, even if that makes it a bit less flexible.

I'm definitely buying more Apple stock. This thing is going to make waves.
 

bill_smith

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I did see a post in here about questionable ability to withstand being dropped.

I believe, speaking on behalf of all PC's not configured for sudden impact, that the potential to lose the computer(whatever it's pedigree) exists.

I have seen "field computers" in use. you CAN play basketball with them, but not your average off the shelf CPS.

I would advise against the "drop test", accidental or deliberate.
 

unlimitedsounds

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SO can someone tell me WHAT I can do with this thing? I dont need to hear the same things everyone says which is that it is a bigger screen for people who love iPhone apps, bigger screen for web surfing, email, reading books (not good.. No e-ink). I have a Sprint TP2, I can surf the web, email, run a lot of apps, use Microsoft office, watch tv, and even DJ from it with a program I have (although I only have an 8GB memory card right now since I really dont play to do that).

I dont have a closed mind towards this IPAD but WHAT can I do with it that I can not do with my cell phone (PDA WM 6.5 phone) or netbook?? .... the ipad doesnt even make phone calls :)

If I were going to get a touch screen unit, here is what I would (and might even look at getting):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeDalRBjyJo&feature=player_embedded

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p-RZAwQq0E&feature=player_embedded
 
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