So a bride walks into a company..and writes some checks....

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Maverick

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SO! Here is an interesting situation! We received a call from a company where a check was written to us(several months ago) for a wedding.... the call was received last week, they had asked about a check that was written to us, we told them what it was for (a wedding) and they informed us THEY were NOT planning a wedding and to NOT accept any other funds from them for(this bride) from them. The company apparently had NOT authorized this person(or maybe they did?) to write checks for her wedding from THEIR business account! This is the FIRST TIME I have ever run into this(as I am sure many of you have never had this happen)...the check cleared its been 3 months since we deposited it(payment in full), the same for us and the other vendors who were hired for this same event(photographer, videographer, decor, planner, invitations etc they all received calls and we have all spoken about this)....

We have spent hours prepping for this event, meetings, ordering monograms, new lights, venue visits JUST for this wedding and it is a large amount of time and the check was also pretty large(over 3k).. (the wedding is next month!) I know there are also 5 other vendors who have received calls from the attorney for the company just asking for invoices of work performed etc) The attorney is saying they have a case against the bride AND the bank(I guess for honoring the checks?)...

What are your thoughts on this? They have not sent us anything nor have they mentioned us giving a refund just "don't perform any other work for XX(client)....all of us vendors are scratching our heads and some are saying "there is no way we are giving them money back"...I just don't see how they could expect us to issue a refund, the most I would do would be a labor refund for the setup that won't be performed)...or offer them to do a party for free..

I know that this bride either 1. Knew the owner of the company 2. The owner was sort of a "father figure" to her and had access to the accounts but don't know the whole story...thoughts? Some of the other vendors involved are calling some attorneys tomorrow..but I thought I would see everyone's here "non legal" advice or just thoughts on this crazy mess!
 
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CMB

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Im not following. Who is the company? An event planning service? Or just a company where the vendors were paid by for a write off or loan to the bride?

If your contract is with the bride, the company can't instruct you to do anything. All they can do is go after the bride or the persons that wrote the checks.
 

Maverick

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The company is a "company" some sort of fabrication company..the company checks were written to pay us for this wedding...so a company check....I didn't keep a copy of the checks but the bank cleared them...that was my opinion..they will need to go after the bride if they want her money back. Out contract was with the bride, not this company.
 

Mark Evans

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Have you talked to the bride? That would be my 1st step. Who is the attorney? Is it really an attorney or someone who might not want to see the bride get married?
 

bill_smith

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Contact the bride, and inform her of the situation. And ask her what's up. You've taken money, and you have a contract, so tell her that unless she otherwise decides to call it off, you are going to show up and play and deliver on everything you've promised. From your perspective, you've got a binding agrement.
 

Bill_Goode

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I usually work on the "Trust, but Verify" principle, but this is a new twist on that!

If this request is from an attorney (so they claim) representing the company, it is time to dig a little deeper...

- Has the potential bride been arrested for embezzlement and fraud? No worries, there is an arrest warrant and police report they can happily provide...
- Have the other vendors taken any action? Have they verified the info?

- Is the attorney registered with the state bar? Does the info the attorney provided match what is in the state bar records?

If the bride has committed fraud and embezzled the funds, usually the cops come knocking with a warrant of some sort, at least in this state.

Call the other vendors first (sounds like you have already done that), then the bride to make sure this is not a scam and the claim is legit.

Y-O-U still have a contract, and proper payment on your part, until a Legitamite Public Authority says otherwise...
 
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Cap

Always At Your Service
I'd do nothing, except worry a bit and maybe gather and centralize planners, notes. documentation , and a recollected time-line while reasonably fresh in the old brain.

Until a summons arrives, there's been nothing immoral, illegal, irresponsible, ir-anything on my part. Contracted, performed, paid. Want restitution? Get it from bridefraudula (the one in the orange jumpsuit).
 

Maverick

Pumping It Up
Thanks all! Yes its legit, its public information and the court case clearly lays out the information...the guy contacting us all is a receivership for the company, PI. But apparently she also used the funds to remodel her house, take trips..some fun stuff!
 

CMB

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hmm, sounds like she may be in jail by the date of the wedding! I can't believe that someone would be so bold as to write checks from work for their own bills. BUT there are a lot of stupid people in this world. Maybe there is an explanation? Like others have said, maintain your communication with her and do what you're contracted as planned.
 

robertbenda

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I'd follow up with the company. You may be forced to return the money (or at least asked), as stolen property, later (though she may have to make restitution herself), and if they have filed charges, it be easier to get what you need from the company pressing charges, void the contract, and try to rebook.
 

djtunes

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I don't want to be a bummer here. With check fraud the banks might pull that money right out of your account reversing the checks that cleared.

Hopefully it won't cost you extra money when/if that happens.

I would be totally expecting every dollar from those checks to be sucked back out of your bank account.
 

Maverick

Pumping It Up
Thanks, I think they would need a court order to do that, the bank cleared the checks. We have spoken to an attorney on this they advised us just to wait until we are official asked for anything..thanks for the comments!
 

Maverick

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Well we just heard from the venue, they have released this brides date and opened it up for other people...so looks like things are in the works...
 

bill_smith

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Are you on good enough terms with this venue to see if they had to refund any money?

Well we just heard from the venue, they have released this brides date and opened it up for other people...so looks like things are in the works...
 

ascdj

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Around here this is a big business AND easy. These check rings are out there and they get a real check from a business, then they have the account number, routing number etc. They buy blank checks at the local office supply store and make up thier own checks on these business accounts. They also make up fake IDs and go around to all the small towns cashing 'payroll' checks.
In Idaho it usually results in a felony conviction called Grand Theft. Then they also have to pay it all back in restitution.

~CHuck
 

djtunes

Checking Reality
Thanks, I think they would need a court order to do that, the bank cleared the checks.
So it can happen.

I know a check cashing store that had it happen. A woman was forging her own pay checks from a local nationwide fast food chain franchise (name witheld). Because she was the one who issued their paycheck anyways it was easy for her to get greedy. When it was uncovered every penny from every unauthorized check was reversed right out of the check casher's bank account.

Court order or not, I don't know. Your situation is headed for the courts?

Just looking out.
 
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