Quick question about Hard drives

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pyrotaz68

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Just trying to get a jump on whats better.This is for a laptop

1. Djing using all music off an external hard drive. So all computer resources can be used by the dj program.

2. Djing using all music off the internal hard drive, Sharing resources.
 

Conanski

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Just trying to get a jump on whats better.This is for a laptop

1. Djing using all music off an external hard drive. So all computer resources can be used by the dj program.

2. Djing using all music off the internal hard drive, Sharing resources.

You still need an internal hard drive for the operating system and software so where you physically locate the music is irrelevant and will have no impact on how well the system performs
 

DJSTEVEZ

DJ Emeritus
From what I understand, a 7200 RPM Hard Drive is far better for Lappy performance than one that spins at 5400 RPM...but a Solid State Hard Drive will out perform the 7200 RPM Hard Drive like a Ferrari up against a golf cart.


Here are the Lappy system requirements for Virtual DJ which will also be a major factor in your Lappy's performance.
Most machines available today will be more than what you need for Audio Only use. Meeting spec requirements becomes more of an issue when using video as you need a Lappy with DEDICATED video RAM (i.e. separate video card).

Internal vs. External Hard Drive use is largely a matter of personal taste. With the increase in the availability of digital content and the decrease of the cost, same with memory, many seem to have migrated to external hard drives. To further complicate the picture, I know some DJs who are DJing, at least in part, utilizing their music stored in the Cloud. Obviously there's certain risks associated with that, but then again there is with any option. Regardless of your choice, you'll want to have your music/video backed up on an external hard drive and bring it with you to every gig. It's a wonderful time to be a DJ.


PC SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS


MINIMUM system requirements:
Intel® Pentium® 4 or AMD Athlon™ XP
1024x768 resolution
DirectX compatible soundcard
512MB RAM
50MB free on the hard drive

RECOMENDED system requirements:
Intel® Core™ 2 or AMD Athlon™ X2
Microsoft® Windows 7 Professional (or newer)
1280x1024 resolution (or higher)
Multi-channel DirectX compatible soundcard
1024MB RAM
200MB free on the hard drive

Additional requirements for Video mixing:
2048MB (2GB) RAM
ATI™ or NVIDIA® video card w/256MB of Dedicated DDR3 RAM
Video card must support dual-screen output
Supported Operating System:

MINIMUM: Microsoft® Windows XP SP3 or newer
RECOMMENDED: Microsoft® Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


Microsoft® Windows 95, 98, ME, or older are not supported
 
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bill_smith

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why not use both? external gives you excellent backup.

External CON: I think that there is still some delay in use of external drives, although the technology is much better.

The real key is to get the most RAM for memory that can be installed, which is the most crucial element for speed and multi tasking.
 
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djlurch

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Personally, I would not use an external drive unless I had to. Too much of a chance for the cable to get knocked loose. It is also one more item to set up and to lose.
 

bill_smith

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Z, those requirements are a great place to start for the loading of the software ro run things, and certainly very important.
I do not see a requirement for space for the music though, and while it's obvious to us as experienced users, it bears saying that when someone selects a hard drive size, I would always advise the biggest available, since adding music is something that will always be a constant drain on hard drive capacity.

If you've got a ton of music, you need a ton of hard drive space, period.

Bottom line takeaway: do not skimp on memory or space.
 

hippydog

wuz here when it was Red.
If you decide to just use the internal drive I would heavily recommend that you reformat the drive and split it..
at least 60 gigs (c: drive) for the OS and the rest for a dedicated music drive (d:\Music\)

If your going to be using VDJ having a dedicated music drive makes it a lot simpler to back up your music and associated database..

Since I use VDJ, and also do videos I personally prefer external drives.. (because you can get a bigger external for cheaper then the same size laptop drive)

Because of the high amount of ram in todays computers, hard drive speed is kinda meaningless..
I have used external drives with USB 1.0 , USB 2.0, USB 3.0 and fire-wire.. (USB 3 and Esata are the fastest connections.. is fastest a word? LOL)

Why is hard drive speed meaninless? As i stated, I have used USB 2.0 for many years for videos and never had a problem with loading times.. and even the slowest 5200 rpm drive can easily keep up with the throughput of a USB 2.0 connection..
I personally think why most people consider an external drive slow is because they are letting it SPIN DOWN (IE: they are using multiple drives and if an external drive isnt being constantly accessed, it will spin down to save power), the SPINNING UP of the drive is what causes noticeable delays..
so...
simplest solution is to use ONE dedicated music drive that is always being used (for searches and for playing)

Again..
The dedicated music DRIVE is the key, as it also makes backups & syncing so much easier..

The ideal situation is to find a laptop with dual drives.. Then you can put one drive as an SSD dedicated to the OS and programs, and the second regular larger drive dedicated for the music.
 

NickyB

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I've actually had an internal laptop drive fail 2 hrs into a gig. I keep a 30Gb iPod plugged into ch 4 on my mixer so when that laptop crashed, I simply switched to the iPod and brought up the volume on ch 4. I also have identical laptops so before the 2nd song finished on the iPod, my backup laptop was in place, booted and ready to run VDJ. I didn't even have to swap the laptop power supply. Things really are simple when you have a plan. All my music, karaoke and videos are on their own separate external hard drives and they are backed up ..... I purchase everything in pairs for simplicity.
 
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DJ Yada

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All my music, karaoke and videos are on their own separate external hard drives and they are backed up ..... I purchase everything in pairs for simplicity.
Nicky,

Where are you up to in HDD size. I do the same thing as you but recently hit the wall and filled up (11 MB free) my 2 3TB external drives with just videos and I still have 2 1TB drives that have audio only. I am not sure where to go from here. I figure I either have to go bigger (and maybe hit the limit on external drive size) or start to be selective in what I bring to an event.

Suggestions?

Keith
 

NickyB

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My music drives are 2Tb .... My Karaoke drives are 1Tb ..... and my Video drives are 4Tb.
To conserve space, my music mp3 files are all ripped at 320K. The karaoke files (mp3 + cdg) are all .zip files. At one point I used up a lot of disk space using vob video files but now I've converted all of them into mp4 format. I also use "DuplicateFileSweeper" to rid carrying duplicates especially on all the drives. I clean one, then sync them using "FolderSync."

Being selective on what you carry is a great help and keep the "not so used" stuff on another drive just in case. Hope that answers your question .....
 

DJ Yada

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Let me pull that thread a little further Nick. Are your drives the smaller USB powered or do they need an external power supply. I am trying to decide if I should buy 4TB drive that do not require power or splurge on a disk array like this Mediasonic enclosure http://www.mediasonic.ca/product.php?id=1357290977 that could handle up to 16 TB of storage. Talk about having everything in one place <haha> just not sure if I want to deal with another power cord or just stick with the smaller form factor. My entire video library is about 3.1 TB so I suppose I could last a good while on a 4TB......... ah decisions.
 
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NickyB

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All my drives have external power supplies. I'm not a big fan of USB powered drives because you can overload the available USB power supply in most laptops and should that happen, you'll have serious performance issues. Inside my PCDJ Gigbox I have a 10 outlet Belkin power strip. I've also eliminated a lot of 12vdc wall warts by using a single 12vdc 5A computer power supply that has multiple taps feeding my DAC2 controller, two wireless mic receivers and my laptop cooler. All those occupy a single AC outlet leaving 9 outlets for other stuff.
 

DJ Yada

Member
I can see that. My newest video system is 2 SC3900 with Denon X1600 so that plus HDDs and I had to use a powered USB hub to make sure it was not overloaded. Thanks for the input.
 

DJSTEVEZ

DJ Emeritus
Z, I do not see a requirement for space for the music though, and while it's obvious to us as experienced users, it bears saying that when someone selects a hard drive size, I would always advise the biggest available, since adding music is something that will always be a constant drain on hard drive capacity. If you've got a ton of music, you need a ton of hard drive space, period. Bottom line takeaway: do not skimp on memory or space.
I agree wholeheartedly Bill, excellent point.


All my drives have external power supplies. I'm not a big fan of USB powered drives because you can overload the available USB power supply in most laptops and should that happen, you'll have serious performance issues. Inside my PCDJ Gigbox I have a 10 outlet Belkin power strip. I've also eliminated a lot of 12vdc wall warts by using a single 12vdc 5A computer power supply that has multiple taps feeding my DAC2 controller, two wireless mic receivers and my laptop cooler. All those occupy a single AC outlet leaving 9 outlets for other stuff.
PICTURES, PRETTY PLEASE! :D
 
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DJ_Xtreme00

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I keep my videos on the internal hard drive and my music on an external hard drive. The only reason I do this is space, The internal HD is not large enough for all my videos and music.
 
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