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Hutt

Pro Dj groupie since 1996
are you using for your home theater? and why did you pick that brand?

Thanks!
 

unlimitedsounds

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I have done a lot of research on 3D TV's and also do a lot of home theater installs (and install for other places). I just purchased the 55LW5600 LG 55" Passive 3D LED 1080p 120Hz HDTV. Its Passive 3D as apposed to active 3D. You dont need those $150 glasses.. my TV was $1349 on sale at PC RICHARD AND SON (with 2 year 0% financing) and came with 14 pairs of glasses.. then I went on EBAY and bought 10 more for $8.00. You just need glasses that say "REAL D" on them... I am watching DIRECTV which has 3 3d tv channels (and a 3D on demand station but only 2 things there so far). HOWEVER, the TV has a 3D demo APPLICATION and YOUTUBE has 3D yuo can watch.. ALSO there is a PAY PER VIEW MOVIE CHANNEL that comes with the TV, which is kind of like NETFLIX and it has a bunch of 3D movies and you can watch the first 2 minutes for free. its a great TV that even has OPTICAL AUDIO OUT so when you use the TV APPS you can get great sound (I have it hooked up to a 6.1 surround sound system)....

any questions, let me know...
 

NickyB

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Not there yet but really want to be! My old 55" rear projection Mitsubishi that I bought in 1998 is still going strong. I was going to wait until it quits then get the latest and greatest but frankly, I don't know what that is just now. So, I guess I had better follow this thread.
 

robertbenda

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A huge percentage of people can't enjoy it, lack of content, poor content, and little benefit to 3D. No thanks.
 

unlimitedsounds

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That is LCD.. and LED (which is an LCD with LED lights) is really what you want.. Better blacks, More on par with PLASMA and you also want one with "LOCAL DIMMING" when you buy one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVJvd4LIIUk

** MY TV has TRUE WHITE which compensates for what the above video talks about and also local dimming and other things that make thie LG a beter choice in the long run...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avROZ_g3pew
 

unlimitedsounds

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A huge percentage of people can't enjoy it, lack of content, poor content, and little benefit to 3D. No thanks.
There isnt too much content broadcast but you can get a 3D BLURAY and enjoy 3D.. on DIRECTV we have 3 channels.. ONE being ESPN 3D and it looks awesome...

BUT you want a TV that is also good at 2D as well as 99% of the stuff you watch will be 2D with 3D being extra.. that is one reason why active 3D is failing (not to mention the cost of active glasses)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaMqR_cY9g8

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1326903
 

DJ Machismo

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The TV I'd recommend is the Samsung 8000 (UN55D8000 for this year's model).

CNET Review ((Samsung UN55D8000: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un55d8000/4505-6482_7-34503721.html?tag=mncol;lst;1)

It is an edge lit LED-LCD with active 3D that does not need a separate module to connect the tv to the glasses. Samsung has been dropping prices on glasses (and they along with a few other companies are working on a unified standard for active shutter glasses) and they are around the $50-$60 range last time I checked.

DO NOT get passive 3D. I could list a ton of reasons, but the simplest is, the tech for home use just isn't there yet. Passive 3D works by using half of the resolution for the left eye image and half for the right eye image. This means that for a beautiful 1080p display, the effective resolution with 3D on is halved, either vertical or horizontal. That's a big no-no in my book. For more information on why, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVQ7VBht9VA&feature=channel_video_title

I've had last year's model of the tv I recommend since February (Samsung UN55C8000) and it is phenomenal. From my research it is one of the best TVs out there, and it does a good job on 3D (this year's model is even better). I do prefer LCD tvs, and LED lit ones at that.

CNET Review (Samsung UN55C8000: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un55c8000/4505-6482_7-34001684.html?tag=mncol;lst;1)

Here is a list of the best 2011 tvs thus far from CNET. Which seems to stick to plasma, but for the amount of video games I play, the lingering burn-in issue (although slight now) is too much for my taste.

http://reviews.cnet.com/2795-6482_7-688.html?tag=mncol;txt
 

hippydog

wuz here when it was Red.
Dont know nothing about 3d tv's, but I have noticed when I was looking at projectors (i only have the one projector for DJing) a lot of the new ones are saying 3d capable! ?? WTF?
I guess that would be 'passive 3d' ??
 

unlimitedsounds

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IMO DO NOT GET ACTIVE 3D.. PASSIVE is the way to go for 3D TV to survive..

http://www.worldtvpc.com/blog/viewers-choose-passive-3d-active-3d-tv-sets/

figure $150 per pair of ACTIVE 3D GLASSES, then you need to make sure they are SYNC'd, the battery is working etc.... PASSIVE glasses are as low as $2.00 or even free (LOL), my TV came with 14 pairs of glasses and then ebay for about $8 i got 10 more. figure if you wanted to watch active 3D with a group of friends.. now you need to spend $150 for each person who is watching....

also consider the flicker of active 3D because of the way the shutter system works......

Also, DJ Machismo says not to get passive 3D because of the resolution issue.. HONESTLY, I dont see the difference and the 3D to me looks much better then my relatives top of the line ACTIVE 3D TV. bear in mind that you are buying a TV to mostly watch NON-HD material as there isnt too much to watch in 3D currently. I have three 3D channels on my DIRECTV and some other web related videos I can watch. I currently do not own a 3D bluray player and dont know that I will get one. most movies are not worth watching in 3D anyway.... only certain ones....
 
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unlimitedsounds

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To many people, a 3D TV set is a 3D TV set. But it’s not, there are two distinct systems being sold right now. Active and passive 3DTV are fighting it out to win the 3D format crown, and LG have released data showing that passive 3D is preferred by viewers.

Passive 3D beats Active in consumer study

Passive 3D is found in most cinemas and uses circular polarization to separate the left and right eye images on screen. Active 3D needs a power source for the specs and each lens shuts to show each eye a different image.

Active 3D specs cost between $50-$100 per pair and require batteries. Passive glasses cost around $2 or just “borrow” a pair from your local theater.

There is much arguing over the systems, with proponents of active 3D claiming less flicker and a brighter image. Of course, passive users would argue with those points, and also mention the massive savings when needing additional glasses (some TV’s ship with one pair only!)

The results were released this week and commissioned by LG who used Morpace to do the study. The end result found that 80% of consumers prefer the passive 3D TVs over active 3D sets.

The study was not biased either as LG produce both types of 3D sets. the consumer test compared the LG passive glasses 3DTV against a Samsung active-shutter glasses-based 3DTV and separately against a Sony active-shutter set.

Morpace measured real-time feedback, and found that consumers preferred the passive 3D sets in many of the categories, including overall 3D experience, 3D picture quality and 3D effect. Users also much preferred the lighter passive 3D glasses available at your local cineplex.

Speaking about the results, Wayne Park, CEO for LG Electronics USA said:- “We developed LG Cinema 3D to solve the problems consumers were experiencing with active 3D and to provide the best 3D experience in the home. With its outstanding picture quality, affordability, and easy-to-use and share glasses, it’s no surprise that LG CINEMA 3D technology is preferred by four out of five of consumers over Sony and Samsung’s active 3D.”

It is expected that by the year 2014, 3D TVs will account for over 40% of the overall TV sales. And research by IHS iSuppli shows that by 2015, over half of those 3D TV sales will be for the passive 3D type.

Of course you cannot judge a 3DTV system based on one study alone, so PC World have also tested the different 3D systems and made passive 3D the winner as well.
 

Jason Cathcart

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3D gives me a headache (I'm epileptic), and doesn't look the way I think 3D should look anyway.

I'm quite happy with my 47" Sharp Aquos. I rarely watch TV anymore anyway - less than 3 hours a week I'd say.
 

robertbenda

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Epilepsy or not, about 20% of folks either have trouble seeing the 3D, or get eye strain and headaches (the problem is widespread enough you can buy glasses that convert 3D back to 2D for a more enjoyable experience). Other than Avatar, I can't think of a single 3D experience where I didn't prefer it in 2D. For the last year, my wife, friends, and I make a point of going to the 2D option at the movies, which, thankfully, is getting easier to do.
 
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unlimitedsounds

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3D gives me a headache (I'm epileptic), and doesn't look the way I think 3D should look anyway.

I'm quite happy with my 47" Sharp Aquos. I rarely watch TV anymore anyway - less than 3 hours a week I'd say.
a lot of this is because of the ACTIVE 3D.. now if you are having the same issues with passive 3D in theatres the thats a different issue.. but passive works different and helps with the headache since the refresh rate is different AND it doesnt have shutters on the glasses to contend with...
 

unlimitedsounds

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Epilepsy or not, about 20% of folks either have trouble seeing the 3D, or get eye strain and headaches (the problem is widespread enough you can buy glasses that convert 3D back to 2D for a more enjoyable experience). Other than Avatar, I can't think of a single 3D experience where I didn't prefer it in 2D. For the last year, my wife, friends, and I make a point of going to the 2D option at the movies, which, thankfully, is getting easier to do.
yo are 100% right.. I bought the TV because it had 3D but more so because it was 55" and had an awesome picture in 2D. 3D is great WHEN you find something to watch.. I wonder if the super bowl will be in 3D? I have watched a few football games in 3D on ESPN 3D and its nice.... BUT remember, 3D isnt supposed to JUMP out at you .. it is supposed to show depth as your eyes really see it...
 

DJ Machismo

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Thanks for all the input unlimitedsounds.


Its a lot of great information. And perfect for someone to get both sides of the story from all of us combined.

Hear the negatives and positives of each and make their own informed decision.


I personally notice a resolution drop between Active and Passive 3D. As of right now, the tech for passive is behind the tech for Active when it comes to HD afficianados. I would prefer it myself though if the 3D tech will come to equal or surpass Active tech, but I don't see it happening soon. I still see Active as superior in terms of pure performance, though passive has the advantage in terms of price. As for all the studies cited, well, I would like to see more information and links about them. As the fact that passive 3D halves the resolution at this time is not something that lets it even become a buying option for me personally. Be interested to know how many of those people were watching understanding the resolution was different, and if they were at the prescribed distance to actually notice a 1080p resolution if they were given one.

Also, as said before, a decent 3D tv will more than likely be an excellent 2D tv.

As for the headache issue, differing methods have differing results as to headaches, but the bottom line is the 3D effect itself is what is giving people the headaches, not either method used to achieve it. Passive and active work differently, but not so much differently that headaches aren't caused by the 3D effect itself. Either way its still showing an image to the left eye and a slightly different image to the right eye. This headache issue won't change until we hit a major breakthrough in display tech.

As for a 3D blu-ray player, I still say the PS3 is the best bet out there. It may not be the cheapest out of all the options, but the blu-ray only performance is outstanding. Plus you have extra functionality built in if you want it. But a dedicated player released by the company that was most behind developing blu-ray, they make sure it stays updated. I have quite a few 3D blu-rays and they all look stunning.

I still say the best bet, is to research and find out for yourself what looks best to you and your eye.

Personally, active is my way to go, unlimiteds is passive. Rock on.

Now if passive does get better to where a double resolution screen is not needed to show my intended resolution, I'll happily buy up a passive tv, that is in 10 years after I've used my current tv to the point of no repair.


But interesting side note, for users who play 3D video games, if you have a passive 3D tv, you can use a trick.
If your game supports 3D, take two pairs of glasses and take the lenses out of them. Now but both left eye lenses in one pair, and both right eye lenses in another pair. Two players each get their own pair of glasses. I forget which setting but I think its vertical passive 3d, but once the tv is set up properly it will display images for player 1 on the left eye side of the 3d, and the images for player 2 on the right eye side of the 3d. Meaning each player is looking at the same screen but are seeing fullscreen only their characters screen. Pretty cool trick.
 

unlimitedsounds

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We will see uwhat survuves... IMO .. PASSIVE will be the leader.... some people can see the difference in resolution. I personally can not.. I dont like spending $150 per pair of glasses.. I have about 24 pairs of passive ones now.. 15 free and 10 more for $8 .. most people are consumers and not tech people or 3D nuts so I dont think they they will notice the difference.. I just think they will look at the price of the TV and the price of the glasses and thats it..

Dont buy the TV based on 3D.. 99% of what you watch will be 2D.. also dont mess with the 2D-->3D setting that people talk about... its silly and doesnt do much...
 
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BillESC

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I sell and install flat screens just about every week.

Samsung offers the best picture IMHO with Sharp Vision's Quatro a very close second. Active 3D offers a superior product and you should be able to find the glasses for about $ 100.00 (that's what we sell them for.)
 
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