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DJ Ron Auger

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I would suggest reading this article first then begin any discussion. I have read it.

Since his argument about hiring civil servants on the surface sound logical he obviously has never hired one nor done much research into the subject. It doesn't appear in the article that he has done either. He's making his assumptions of hire on vague information which is not based on any facts. His attempt to disregard an entire groups of people for hire is irresponsible and non factual. I would say just the opposite. If you want someone who has commitment and shows responsibility then look toward your civil servant.

In my opinion this is nothing more than another DJ trying to get his name in print by over exaggerating an issue.
 

djfatman

Marketing Moderator
Ron, why do you do this? Did YOU actually read the article. Frankly, he's correct. I use to have a firefighter work for me, and I can tell you that I couldn't consistantly book him because of his chosen profession. That's not a knock against him - it's just I needed someone who a bit more stable, schedule-wise.

Mike Walters is an accomplished business owner who has written many articles and books over the years and who has helped countless DJs with the success of their businesses. I have always looked forward to his writings and will continue to do so. You're slamming the wrong person as he has much respect among his peers, myself included.

You seem to have a lot of contempt for those who write articles or books, or release DVDs. Thank goodness for these people who are brave enough to share their experiences with the rest of us.
 

DJ Ron Auger

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Ron, why do you do this?
What, I'm not allowed to have an opinion about a publicly written article?

Did YOU actually read the article. Frankly, he's correct.
Did you not read my post where I stated I read the article. Why do you do this Tom? Frankly he's not correct. He's making an assumption based on what, one hire?

I started my mobile DJing back in 1987 roughly. At the time I was a full time professional firefighter. I had no problem booking functions 6 months, 1 year, 2 years in advance. Nor would any other brother on my department. I had no problem fulfilling my commitment to my clients. In all that time up until my retirement in 2002 I never once canceled or not shown up for a job. Now that is just me, not the entire fire, police or military as mentioned in the article. Are there exceptions, of course there are. But there are exception no matter what field you hire from for your part time help.

Here are the facts as it related to the fire service. Firefighters (full time) have set schedules. We know our shifts and free time for the rest of our career. This is as long as our shifts don't get reassigned. In 16 years mine never did. I knew every day off for the rest of my career so I could book as far in advance as I wanted to. So can't every other full time firefighter.

If you're from a small town and you lend your commitment to your department both on and off duty then no, DJing might not be a good part time job. But for the bigger town and cities, when your off duty, you're off duty until your next tour. The larger departments do not have recall, they use mutual aid. For example I'll use my 24 hour shift: Shift ends on Friday morning at 8:00am. I have no commitment to return to work until Tuesday at 8:00am. Now, should a fire happen while I was off duty I have the option, not the commitment to respond. That is a personal choice. Again, it's not the entire group as referenced in the article since the author had no real understanding but only an assumption of how civil service jobs really work.

Should a DJ job fall on a day the firefighter was on, he has lots of flexibilities. He could take vacation time (which I did regularly)or he could have his shift covered (which I did regularly). Lastly he could just choose to say no.

I use to have a firefighter work for me, and I can tell you that I couldn't consistently book him because of his chosen profession.
So you had one guy work for you therefore every firefighter, police, EMT, military should not be viewed as viable help? That's a bit of narrow thinking.
That's not a knock against him - it's just I needed someone who a bit more stable, schedule-wise.
If he wasn't stable that was by his own choice not his profession. The days and area where full time firefighters are committed 24/7 to their department are long gone. With most of us being union, we have strict contractual rules that tell us when we can or can't work.
Mike Walters is an accomplished business owner who has written many articles and books over the years and who has helped countless DJs with the success of their businesses. I have always looked forward to his writings and will continue to do so.
I'm sure he is but in regards to this subject and what he has written in this article has know very little. He is choosing to give advise about disregarding entire groups of people for employment.

You're slamming the wrong person as he has much respect among his peers, myself included.
I'm not slamming him, I'm calling him on his article but especially his lack of information.

You seem to have a lot of contempt for those who write articles or books, or release DVDs. Thank goodness for these people who are brave enough to share their experiences with the rest of us.
That's your opinion Tom. So because they are brave enough (no pun intended with regards to the subject of this post)they shouldn't be challenged or questioned about what they write. Maybe in your world. I can't ask you to not take this personal as I can see you do. I do also since he's writing about me and my brothers and sisters of the fire service and our fellow civil servants, police, EMT, Military, etc.
 

Djjoeeb

Entertainment Director/DJ
Tom,

I too saw this article & read it. Yes, Mike has contributed a lot to the industry & I also recognize this. I too have called him on this very issue the first time I heard it in Atlantic City at the DJ Expo in 2006 – “Finding Your Next Great DJ”. At that time his message was the same & I contacted him directly –even here I believe (got to check the Prodj archive).

Anyway, at that time – I told him that I took issue with his blanket statement against hiring civil servants. If I can recall, he had an issue with a fire fighter that was working for him. I don’t know if he was a career civil servant, or a volunteer. I believe he got ‘burned’ by this employee, having to find last minute coverage for an event that this employee was to cover.

In my case as a ‘civil servant’, I work a rotating schedule. As long as I don’t change platoons, I know my schedule from now until the day I retire/leave this service. When I am off, I am off. I am not subject to mandatory “Call In” duty, etc. Likewise, if a prospect wants to book me for a date that is a scheduled day “on duty”, as long as it’s 30 days or more in advance, they will find coverage for my shift. I realize that not every service has this flexibility, but it does exist.

I took issue with Mike’s attitude towards hiring civil servants then & reading this recent article, it looks that nothing that has been suggested to him has changed his feeling on the subject. How many different civil servant organizations did he contact before making this recent blanket statement?

Even with the fire fighter that was working for you; did you know in advance whether he was subject to ‘call-in’ duty? Yes, knowing something like this might make me hesitant in hiring someone that was subject to this prior commitment. But it is NOT an absolute in EVERY case of EVERY civil servant.

Again, I agree that Mike has contributed a lot to the industry & his advice in hiring/training DJs is good information, with the exception of this viewpoint.
 

DJ Ron Auger

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Thanks Wes, I didn't exactly know how to take that. It appears to be an article written by Mike Walter and reprinted by Jim Weisz. I think. But not knowing either of them or anything previous they've written I never mentioned the author in my post. Tom was the first to mention names.

It doesn't matter to me who wrote it. It's a public article based on someones opinion. Therefore is open for discussion.
 

Ken Heath

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He does have a good point and something that must be considered...but not as a blanket problem/solution; more like a case-by-case basis.

:twisted: Remember...All blanket statements are never accurate!!! :wink:
 

djsarge

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Any gratuitous assertion can be equally and gratuitously denied.

I used to work for a very successful multi op in my area. He has been in business for over 25 years I believe. Guess what. He is a full time professional firefighter. He still takes on events and is a very accomplished wedding photographer to boot.

Until 2002, I was a soldier with the VA Army National Guard. Not one time did it ever interfere with me working for him. However, the one problem I did have was the day job. They did once tell me I WOULD work an upcoming weekend or I WOULD NOT have a job. As you can expect, my multi op boss was certainly less than pleased.
 

Djjoeeb

Entertainment Director/DJ
Wes,

I too was a little confused seeing Jim's name there after Mike's. But reading it, I know that Mike was the original author as he had done the "Finding Your Next Great DJ" Seminar & articles for print.
 

DJ Ron Auger

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Let me just elaborate on a few of the misconceptions this author makes by generalizing entire groups of people, targeting them for not being responsible enough to hire.

I’ve spent the past few weeks highlighting some careers that I think are good to recruit from. I’ve enumerated the benefits of looking at waiters, bartenders and teachers just to name a few.Here’s one though that I avoid at all costs: Civil Servants. Specifically firemen, policemen and anyone in the military.
I've spent 28 years in EMS and 16 in the fire service. My wife is a 30 year career paramedic. I think I trump his knowledge as a whole and can say he is wrong. As a member of one of the strongest unions in the country (IAFF) we've worked hard at defining our time in the workplace, time that belongs to us. Since I see no reference in this article as to even speaking to any union houses, police unions, military personnel it is clear that this is a bias opinion of the author which lacks credibility.

In fact I know personally some very successful DJ's who are Civil Servants, most notably Paul Beardmore who is not only a prominent name in our industry but who has been a heroic firefighters for years
He seems to disagree with his own advise of "avoid at all costs". Does this mean he would avoid hiring someone like Paul?

Civil Servants do not have much flexibility in their schedules.
That is a lie. He has no proof to back that statement. In fact we have lots of flexibility. In the fire service we have days off that the average full time worker will never see. In most departments we have whats call "swaps". We can have a fellow brother work our predetermined shift as we see fit. This can be planned ahead of time to fit our schedule. Once that swap is made it's now the responsibility of the person excepting that shift to work. This frees up that day for personal time.

Although we may work weekends, it's not every weekend nor the entire weekend. But again that's known way ahead of time. These are not last minute situations. Again the author had no credibility with his assumptions.

It’s similar with someone who is active in the military. If the last few years have taught us anything, it’s that military people have NO SAY over their schedules. They can get “shipped out” whenever and they have no control over that fact.
This point is true but not to the extreme as the author is dramatizing this. Someone in the Military would be better suited to respond but anyone I've know who was being deployed has had fair warning ahead of time. It wasn't a last minute decision, that they must leave within hours. But, what a nice way to honor the sacrifice of our countries hero's, "avoid hiring them at all costs". In the author opinion, they can't be trusted because of their chosen profession.

Anytime you hire part time help you run the risk of that employee not being loyal to your business or your concerns about that business. I don't trust people under the age of 23 to have the commitment in my business. I was burnt by a younger person who just didn't feel like working a job. Should I then discount any person under that age as being not committed to my needs? Therefore you hire that employee on trust and their good word, not by what their full time employment may be. You either believe them or not, you either trust their good work or you don't. Where else they may work does not matter.

My opinion about this article. The author, who ever it may be, must have had a bad situation once and has now vowed to exclude entire groups of people based on the actions of a few.
 

DJ Dr. Drax

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Why is Jim allowed to reprint an article written by Mike?

Did Mike Walter approve of this reprint? Was his approval sought for this reprint?

I don't see this as a Dis on civil employees. Their not civil servants, they are well paid for their efforts in most cases.

All it is, is one person's opinion, & a corresponding dissenting opinion. Nothing more IMHO.

I would be more concerned with the idea of one person reprinting as their own writing the words of another.

Perhaps it's just a software issue that gives authorship to the wrong person & Jim is just the agregator for this web segment on MobileBeat. BUT, if that is the case, then I think that the top of the article should have said:

"Originally written by Mike Walter of Elite Entertainment in NJ. This article first appeared on such & such date in such & such publication & is used with his permission"

This clarifies authorship, origin & use rights. Then it just comes down to opinion. I however do agree with the military concern. How many threads do we get every year about a client getting deployed? If sally Bride has selected DJ GI Joe, & he get's called up & deployed, there isn't anything anyone can do about that can they? The bride will now be left with a substitute. As a business owner, I think that is a choice that every business owner has the right to make.
 

DJ Ron Auger

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I however do agree with the military concern.
I would be concerned also, that should be a concern of any bride. But that is not the case of every member of the Military. And, if that's know up front then that's the choice of the bride.

Of course another concern of the bride is "will I get the DJ I chose on my wedding day"? In most cases yes but as we know in some cases no. There are multi ops who will switch around DJ at the last minute for various reasons. So therefore would it be fair for me to state "don't hire a multi op because you have a good chance that the DJ you selected will not be the DJ at your wedding"? It would be fair to say because it does happen but it wouldn't be fair to say "in most cases". Just as it's not fair to say "avoid at all costs", and blanket that statement targeted for an entire group of people across the country.

I don't see this as a Dis on civil employees.
I don't see this as a Dis either. I see it as someone attempting to exclude an entire group of people for the mistake of a few or possibly one. I see this as someone looking to vent his frustration over a bad experience. The author is using his ability to reach a large number of people to voice his opinion, his thoughts but not to personally attack those who chosen to be our civil servants. And since he appears to have a good following, I feel that many may take his advise without knowing the true correct information.


As for who wrote the article and who is responsible for reprinting, well that's up to the publisher. It's his or her responsibility since their company name is at the top. They are the ones in charge of what gets printed. As we say in the fire service "**** flows up hill".
 

Ryan Burger

Husband,Father,Publisher
DJ Dr. Drax said:
Why is Jim allowed to reprint an article written by Mike?
Bad cut and paste by Ryan. Now corrected. Was converting TONS of articles and made a mistake.

Sorry,
Ryan
 

Djjoeeb

Entertainment Director/DJ
Thanks for the clarification Ryan.

BTW, I like the new look of the Mobile Beat home page.
 

foster

ProDJ Sponsor
DJ Dr. Drax said:
Why is Jim allowed to reprint an article written by Mike?

Did Mike Walter approve of this reprint? Was his approval sought for this reprint?

I don't see this as a Dis on civil employees. Their not civil servants, they are well paid for their efforts in most cases.

All it is, is one person's opinion, & a corresponding dissenting opinion. Nothing more IMHO.

I would be more concerned with the idea of one person reprinting as their own writing the words of another.

Perhaps it's just a software issue that gives authorship to the wrong person & Jim is just the agregator for this web segment on MobileBeat. BUT, if that is the case, then I think that the top of the article should have said:

"Originally written by Mike Walter of Elite Entertainment in NJ. This article first appeared on such & such date in such & such publication & is used with his permission"

This clarifies authorship, origin & use rights. Then it just comes down to opinion. I however do agree with the military concern. How many threads do we get every year about a client getting deployed? If sally Bride has selected DJ GI Joe, & he get's called up & deployed, there isn't anything anyone can do about that can they? The bride will now be left with a substitute. As a business owner, I think that is a choice that every business owner has the right to make.
Fly off the handle, half-cocked much?
 

DJ Ron Auger

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OK, the both of you. This is my topic and my discussion. Go fight on someone else's playground. :lol:

Carry on. :wink:
 
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