Jamstands Karma cart vs. Rock n Roller

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bill_smith

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Nowhere close in terms of quality. That jamstand cart has hard rubber wheels, not pneumatic inflatables. an RR12 is the way to go, more weight rock solid moving capability, and owning mine now going on 8 years, no breaks drips cracks or anything other than perfect performance everytime.

I would not be a DJ if I didn't have that thing. I'd be retired with a bad back.
 

Ken Heath

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I use several of the Rock'n'Roller carts, my oldest one (an R-12) is 13 years working and the only thing I've ever done to it is replace the tubes in the pneumatic tires...Once! (and that was from rubber rot, the valve stem pealed off of it's own accord, hardly the fault of RnR since I put the first ones in after I got it.)

I have two of the newer carts, an R-6 and an R-12, with the semi-solid tires and the R-12 is the 4-big-wheel- model, it's great on bad terrain! I highly recommend the four big wheels model!!!

Rock'n'Roller carts were designed by a musician/dj who is still involved with their design, production and distribution... I just spoke with him a few days ago!

I know Bob really loves his Magliners, and they are excellent products, but the one that more closely matches the form and function of the carts we're discussing, (The Magliner Junior), has a street price of $916... Now, to be fair, a Magliner handtruck is only $139, but we're not talking about handtrucks, so let's keep it apples-to-apples.
The Magliner Cart is 24" of platform space, the R'n'R R-6 is 28"-42" of platform space and retails (on the same site) for $129...

umm...No Thanks, Bob ;)
 

NickyB

Gear and Equipment Moderator
I've owned and used a pair of RR-12's for more than 15 yrs now. Only one issue with the pneumatic tubeless tires coming off the rim in cold weather ...solution was to insert inner tubes at $9 each at a local lawn mower repair shop. I understand now they have a higher capacity and slightly larger RR-14 but I haven't seen one yet.

Magliners are indeed the top-of-the-line HD portable and most expensive carrier, BUT they don't fold up quite as compact as the Rock 'n Rollers do. So if your vehicle can handle all your gear and a Magliner, got for it. If not, then compromise.
 

Cap

Always At Your Service
Ken, your Magliner price point is way outta whack, but correct in that it is twice the cost of the Rock & Roller.

Using both the Magliner and the RR12, the only positive feature of the R&R12 is compactibility, so for shows where my smaller event system fits in my Durango, the R&R beats up the Magliner big time because it takes less space and is easier to pack.

But for the other 80% of events where the gear is trailered, the Magliner whoops on R&R sunrise to sunset, the Magliner product being sturdier, lighter, carries more weight, has wheels that defy potholes and door jams that the R&R carts simply can't handle, but, again, is nowhere near being a "Transformer" device the R&R line is.

My favorite is the Magliner Gemini series, and have had its predecessor series model for 18 years, only replacing the air filled tires for the gel foam tires, finally eliminating those occasional highly irrating flats.

http://www.magliner.com/gemini-sr-convertible-hand-truck-gm-81uac

The retail price listed is from Magliner. One can shop a better deal locally.
 

oldschooldj

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When I started back up, I bought 3 different Magliners and they are made like tanks but weigh like pistols. Some of the best aluminum welding I have seen in the commercial market. I have one convertable, that I use as a trailer full time, one of what would be called the beer/soda case carrier and one flat cart that my 20RU rack mounts on full time.

I love them, but they were expensive, so I hoe they last a very long time.

Ray J.
 

bill_smith

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So Blake, the consensus seems to be don't get the Jamstand. Get a magliner or a RR12 depending on what you need.
 

Ken Heath

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Sorry cap, but if you follow the link, you'll see that it's EXACTLY that at one of the largest A/V retailers for the broadcast industry on the web!

(the link is the price by the way, click on it and see)

:)
 

UNDJ

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I believe we had this exact conversation about a year ago. Looks like I'm the odd man out here but I hated my R&R cart. I had to chisel some of the paint off to get it to come apart, the tires go flat every few weeks (yes I know I can remedy that, but still), and my previous carts were easier to manuever. In fact, when I hire a new DJ, I make him use the R&R cart as a hazing ritual.
 

dobby10

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The Jamstands cart is GREAT! Anyone want to buy a new in box one?
I've had a R&R for 3 years or so, love it. Added photo booth and lighting and wanted a 2nd cart. Picked up the Jamstands cart. 2 months in there is rust and some other minor issues. I already sent it back and they replaced it with a new one in box. Probably going to sell it and get another R&R.
 

DJSTEVEZ

DJ Emeritus
Back in the days of carrying a minimum of 7 milk-crates of Vinyl from gig to gig I had a the Magliner handtruck "for parcels"...with the carpeted fold-down nose extension (I still have it, actually). I would absolutely prefer a Magliner if I was using a trailer, however with the space limitations of my Truck I need the compact fold-up of the Rock-n-Roller. I bought the R-12 on a "Stupid Deal of the Day" sale from Musuican's Friend for $99.99 with shipping, but it's still in the box. I use the R-10 and love the air-inflatable tires.
 

Bob Dietrich

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Sorry cap, but if you follow the link, you'll see that it's EXACTLY that at one of the largest A/V retailers for the broadcast industry on the web!

(the link is the price by the way, click on it and see)

:)

Sorry Ken...but I can buy them locally (ordered to my preference) for MUCH less than your site shows...Umm...thanks, but I'll easily pay twice the price of the toys for truly professional grade quality that is easily 10 times the unit.

Just a thought...how many professionals who uses these tools everyday uses R&R carts? How many uses Magliners? Need more? Gemini and EV both makes speakers...one is professional grade and consequently costs more...sure it's apples to apples when you look at from that point of view.
 

Ken Heath

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Bob,

I typed it into google and took the first result... I didn't shop around or try to make it lopsided... I took both products form the first retailer to appear in a fair search. I realize that prices vary, but again, first results on similar items from the same source.

Yes, oh yes, your magliner is superior to every other wheeled device on the planet, ;) but it's still too expensive when compared to a similar product that still lasts for decades (as proven by my own personal use).

Since few DJs stay in this business as long as either one of us have, a cart that last well over ten years is quite suitable. The selling point of the magliner lasting long enough to carry your casket is not what most people take into account when they want to ferry their gear from A to B!

The new tires on the R'n'R cart have addressed the flat tire complaint, the welds are good, the steel is strong, and some of the money is still in your pocket... and we all know how cheap we are as a collective industry!

The original postulate was regarding the Rock'N'Roller Multi-Cart as compared to the Ultimate Karma Kart... The Rock'N'Roller Multi-Cart is the superior product in that contest. The Magliner may well be superior to them both, however, it wasn't part of the discussion. Blake didn't ask an open-ended "which cart is best" question, he asked a very specific question and got specific and pertinent answers from everyone but you.
 

Bob Dietrich

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Bob,

I typed it into google and took the first result... I didn't shop around or try to make it lopsided... I took both products form the first retailer to appear in a fair search. I realize that prices vary, but again, first results on similar items from the same source.

Yes, oh yes, your magliner is superior to every other wheeled device on the planet, ;) but it's still too expensive when compared to a similar product that still lasts for decades (as proven by my own personal use).

Since few DJs stay in this business as long as either one of us have, a cart that last well over ten years is quite suitable. The selling point of the magliner lasting long enough to carry your casket is not what most people take into account when they want to ferry their gear from A to B!

The new tires on the R'n'R cart have addressed the flat tire complaint, the welds are good, the steel is strong, and some of the money is still in your pocket... and we all know how cheap we are as a collective industry!

The original postulate was regarding the Rock'N'Roller Multi-Cart as compared to the Ultimate Karma Kart... The Rock'N'Roller Multi-Cart is the superior product in that contest. The Magliner may well be superior to them both, however, it wasn't part of the discussion. Blake didn't ask an open-ended "which cart is best" question, he asked a very specific question and got specific and pertinent answers from everyone but you.

Ken,

Glad we can agree that the Magliner is vastly superior. As for too expensive, perhaps for you it is, but for many professional operators it's not at all...it's simply the price of a professional tool. As for decades? Get back to me when a R&R cart last decades to validate your statement. Your experience with them is better than average. I have 2 magliners, one of which was new back in the '70's...truly decades old and still better than any of the units being referred to. I do see why some uses the small carts when space is an issue...I always use a trailer so space is never an issue, someting to consider to be sure for those who are space limited.

As for the question asked...let me say this. Back when it was ProDJ.com and the site was much more relevant, many people including myself have always gave options that perhaps some folks doesn't know about. This is what the site was about at one time...thinking outside the box if you will and trying to better ones self.

Specific to the two mentioned? Nope...pertinent to the discussion in that it give another option perhaps not thought about? Absolutely.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!! :)
 

adjtogo

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I've been using R&R carts since they basically came out. I first had the R&R 10 cart, and used it for quite a while. When they came out with the R&R 12, I bought it and haven't looked back. Just like any other tire, you have to inflate them every once in a while. What's the big deal? I'm sure the magliner is a much superior cart, but the R&R cart works for me.
 
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