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Billabong

Rock Lobster
If AmbZ would have just went to www.google.com and typed "Wedding planner" in the box, none of this would ever have happened...

This has been an interesting read, though. My opinion has changed several times while seeing all the replies. Many good points were made. Some of this is old, and I should have chimed in long ago.

"AmbZ" shouldn't have been posting here looking for help. That's why god invented Google, Yahoo, and countless other search engines. Sure, anyone can read this board without signing up. Maybe that should change. Do I go to TheKnot looking for advice on how to make my show better? No.

The Box Debacle:
"AmbZ", you're not giving away boxes out of the goodness of your heart. That's your company's policy. Now, if someone came in and said, "Hey, I have to mail out 50 wedding invitations, but I have no money.", and you gave them 50 stamps out of the drawer, that would be "good karma".

The Mechanic Debacle:
Thanks for doing some research! Sorry it cost you some beer.

I think Big E said it best. This should have been closed 14 pages ago.

There are PLENTY of wedding planning resources out there. Why she chose this place, I'll never know.
Should you give away your personal planner that you created, refined, and enhanced over the years? No.
Give here a link to any free ones on the 'net? Sure. And leave it at that. She already has a "Pro" DJ, doesn't need us.

I'm all for "Paying it Forward". But, I like sleeping indoors & eating, too.
 

slikster

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It amazes me to see the number of people who are actually pissed about this. She was never anybody's client. Living where she does a "professional" DJ may be out of the question. Maybe it is just a small town wedding and her uncle happens to know the most about music. What if her budget just doesn't allow for a DJ?

The whole argument of educate a bride to see the value of our service is the same thing as saying tell her without us her event will suck. WE are a luxury for many brides, not a neccessity. What happened to the good ole days where a reception was held in the church basement and consisted of cake and punch, everybody gone an hour after the wedding?

Some of your ego's have inflated to the point that you are now god's gift to a reception. Without you there is no way that a reception could run smoothly and be enjoyed by all. Times are changing. I am seeing more of the receptions becoming full out parties with the younger generation. They could care less about all of the "professional" services you offer and just want a great big party. In this case is it justifiable to hire a top priced DJ who is charging for his/her expertise in a classic reception, or hire a younger, more energetic club jock who will keep the party going and do it for half the price?


just my thoughts

Rick
 

Steve Sharp

Active Member
slikster said:
It amazes me to see the number of people who are actually pissed about this.
The conviction with which some people post may or may not indicate how "pissed" anyone here is. Stating this as a fact is a presumption on your part.

slikster said:
The whole argument of educate a bride to see the value of our service is the same thing as saying tell her without us her event will suck.
That's one method, but not the only one, nor one that's most effective, or the one I have used (here or elsewhere). If you can find where anyone in this long thread has said that, quote them, and call them on it. It's simply not here.

slikster said:
What happened to the good ole days where a reception was held in the church basement and consisted of cake and punch, everybody gone an hour after the wedding?
They still exist, but I believe most of them don't have a D.J., at all. How much dancing can you have, if the entire event lasts an hour?

For those who wish to see this thread closed, I'd like to ask why? If this topic isn't something you wish to be involved in, it's pretty easy not to.
 

Alexander

Member
slikster said:
Some of your ego's have inflated to the point that you are now god's gift to a reception. Without you there is no way that a reception could run smoothly and be enjoyed by all.
~Sigh~

You are so off base it's no longer funny. Some of us here are actually trying to have a civil discussion about this (without name calling or derogatory remarks) and people like you constantly pop in to tell us how inflated our egos are, or how embarrased they are for our industry.

I'm not even going to bother to explain the gist of this discussion because if you haven't gotten it after 14 pages, I don't see how I can explain it to you in one post. If you haven't read all 14 pages, maybe you should, and if you want to contribute to the discussion, feel free, but stop the name calling.
 

slikster

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Funny how I never mentioned any names 8) but if you took offense you might need to think about why. :roll:

Yes I have read this thread for the last 3 days. I need something to amuse me during the day.

Yes I did get the gist of it. There are some who believe that by giving something away to a bride over a thousand miles away it is harming the "industry". Yet, there are some who believe that what comes around goes around. Give freely and you might just reep the benefits down the line. It is a futile effort to convince either camp to move to the opposite side.
 

DJ Dr. Drax

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This thread typifies the industry & is EXACTLY why it moves foward at an ever slowing creep. It has been interesting reading. It has been illuminating to see the lights come on in some folks homes.

I will tell you that I get calls like this all the time. I do try to educate them. Not on why they MUST hire a DJ, but on all the aspects of their choice, & how it can impact their event, negatively & positively. I simply give them the food for thought that allows them to make a good educated decision.

If that decision is to not hire a DJ, that is ok, it isn't the end of the world. They were not my client. If their event goes well for them, they felt that they learned some things about entertainment. If it doesn't go well for them, they then know that they were forewarned.

I would not give my planners or tools to others without a contract, nor would I make them availaibe online to be googled. I would simply tell the person that they could do so research on the topic online & find varied results. I would explain that those items I have are intellectual property, that have a value.

A value that comes with contracting my services. I also don't share them with DJ's. That is my choice, that is all. I do however donate my services to causes that I believe in.
 

Cali

New Member
slikster said:
It is a futile effort to convince either camp to move to the opposite side.
Acutally you have not read the entire thread or you have simply opted to make a false statement. People can and do change their minds when things are explained. See below.


Tower DJs said:
Cali,



Despite the thread being taken in different directions, become a little heated at times and consisted of a few asking for it to be locked, did anyone gain anything from it?

Personally, it changed my opinion of helping "just a little".



DJ-JC said:
my two cents,,,,
it amazes me how some people react on this board(thus is why I dread posting any questions). When all is said and done you got some nice unjudgmental dj's who really want ot help someone out. On the otherhand you have some dj's who prefer to offer "hire a pro" concept with no offer to help (anybody less than them and their peers would risk ruining a reception).
Bottom line,,,,Amber asked a simple question and the forum went bezerk. Here are the three posts (out of how many?) that really impressed me.....(sorry, i cant go back and give the authors).
1. giving email addreses for personally helping amber
2. We are not DIY forum for people,,we are for helping our fellow dj's
3. simpling giving Amber a link to a sheet (knowing what she wants, and not appling the pressure play, or to go to far out of the way to help).

Hey I was all the way for #1 until I read #2. Now I fall in catagory #3. My point is there is always a good point until the next one is made. When the dust settles everyone is right....just took a million posts and jabs to get there.

regards,
dj-jc

"opening that can of worms".....
by the way.........just wondering if any would change their posts if it was "Albert" posting instead of Amber.
 

Tower DJs

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Cali,

You beat me to the punch. :mad: :p

I only went back a few pages but found these.

Tower DJs said:
Personally, it changed my opinion of helping "just a little".
Shades of Sound said:
Tower:

I have changed as well, except when it comes to Tony and the whole joke getting wildly taken out of context and turned into a "big deal".
Shades of Sound said:
I have changed my thoughts a little, that's for sure.
jwg said:
In Amber's case, I wouldn't have helped her after the lack of value she placed on that planner and help from DJU from he belittling of all of us.
 

jwg

New Member
What I find interesting is when you look at people online surfing ProDJ.com at any given time, I have seen AmbZ online, but obviously not contributing.

What need would Amber still need to be here still unless she is getting email notifications that the thread has responses.

The more we all analyze, re-analyze and overanalyze the situation, what's done is done.
 

Alexander

Member
slikster said:
Funny how I never mentioned any names 8) but if you took offense you might need to think about why. :roll:
And you still don't understand.... :roll:

Alexander said:
Some of us here are actually trying to have a civil discussion about this (without name calling or derogatory remarks)
 

Tower DJs

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jwg said:
What I find interesting is when you look at people online surfing ProDJ.com at any given time, I have seen AmbZ online, but obviously not contributing.
I noticed as well but after page 2 or 3, was the thread still about AmbZ?

jwg said:
What need would Amber still need to be here still unless she is getting email notifications that the thread has responses.
Good question. Is there any mod power to disable that feature on her account?

jwg said:
The more we all analyze, re-analyze and overanalyze the situation, what's done is done.
For the most part I agree. I think the life of the thread has progressed nicely and it's almost done, IMHO. BUT, if others find other meaning in it, as Cap and Drax have, so be it. It takes two to have a debate (for most of us :lol: ). As long as there are two members left in the thread that care to chat with each other, what is the harm in letting it go? I think just a page or so ago I was guilty of trying to wrap it up too. :wink:
 

James Kane

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Basically this all boils down to should we give away our intellectual property to anyone who asks. My thoughts are it is up to the owner of that property. Some choose to share everything they do back to the world. Witness the entire Open Source movement and their often militant belief that information should be free. Myself, I will offer suggestions to those that call but I'm not giving away any of my printed material until contracts have been signed.

If brides like Amber want to DIY that's great, but a part of that is doing the research on the customs and typical flow on their own. If they do not have the time, they should be willing to pay for the expertise.

Just a thought... why didn't Amber ask her "backup" solution for this information?
 

dj4Him

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I stopped reading and really picked up my laughing at the posting about the windshield repair forum.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now, my take, and I don't know if we are still arguing cause that was like page 6 or something...

www.turnhimupdjs.com, click on the wedding section and my planner is right there. I have directed a few bride's to be to that page for idea's, no I never heard anything from them, but I showed how profesional DJ's are and that we are all about customer service. It's just a wedding planner, who cares. Yeah, if it was uncle joe who had no experience DJ'ing/entertaining I would talk with the BTB and tell her the advantages of hiring a DJ, and even if she told me that she was 100% sure she wasn't going to hire me, I'd still give it to her.
 

Tower DJs

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DJ4Him,

I can understand your giving nature from your nickname. Read the rest of the thread and you'll see we share a giving nature, even more when the stakes are much higher than a gig.

As you've chosen to only read the first half of the thread and comment without taking the better points made, into consideration, please answer the following questions.

What BUSINESS reason do you have for giving your planner away for free?

What was it about the windshield repair business that tickled you?

(You may want to read and learn from the rest of the thread before answering.)
 
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