I just recently heard the Bose system and must say I was very impressed...and I don't impress easily! This isn't an AM module system to be used in a livingroom and wasn't designed to be. it also isn't an audiophile system and never was designed to be. It isn't the 1st system of choice for doing school dances and/or raves and wasn't ever dreampt of being used like that.
That said, it DOES offer very good well balanced sound over a large area that most mobile jocks would find perfect for receptions and events that the vast majority of mobile jocks perform. And whoever said that a 6.5" driver cannot reproduce bass has been smoking something...and it isn't anything from Phillips-Morris...
A 6.5" driver can and does reproduce bass easily down to 40Hz or below. Many fine mini-monitors can do this with no sweat. The problem is efficiency at this low frequency. Bose utilizes extensive port modeling to achieve good extension as well as greater output. Does anyone really expect a 6.5" driver to compete at 125db@40Hz with a 15" or 18" driver? I don't think so. Lets try 105db though...hmm...my how things change.
One of the finest most "hi-fi" sounding speakers available for mobiles is the Bose 802. Sure, they use $5.00 drivers and they are inefficient and cost a lot of money when you factor in the controller (speaker equalizer) you must use with them. In a near field listening test they sound very smooth and not nearly as glaring as horn speakers. The new system sound even better IMHO.
In fact, in the average mobile operators event, I would venture to say that the system CAP has sounds better than ANY system utilizing horns! It will play at very comfortable levels, more than adequate for receptions with a full bodied sound. Now keep in mind, running 2 of these systems is very expensive, but good sound doesn't come cheap. Yes, I would put them up against any PRO-PA sound system at the same price and feel confidant that in a true double blind test EACH of you would pick the Bose system as sounding better!
Am I a Bose lover? Definitely not! I detest how they've suckered people into paying thousands for sub-par sound for the home with their cute little cubes...but then again, I have no love for Bang & Olufsen and their cute little non-performing towers and such. But one must give credit where credit is due...and the proof is in the pudding friends...don't knock this system until you've heard it...I'm quite confidant you'll come away very surprised!
One other thought on the original question. Wattage is really irrelevent as there is so many variables involved that it's a crap shoot. One 6000 watt system might well play louder with more authority than a 12000 watt system utlizing different enclosures. Powered speakers or active systems if you will usually provide more sound with less wattage due to the engineers knowing the system parameters exactly. They generally do more with less.
There really is no magic watts per person formula as again, there's just too many variables involved.
Bob...regardless of what you have said, a 6.5" driver is going to have a struggle reproducing notes down in the bottom octaves!!! It just does not have the displacement necessary to maintain output, not to say it can't reproduce that low of frequency, it just won't have enough to keep up with the rest of the audible spectrum. Even then, pretending it could keep up, it would be nearing it's limits and any driver at it's limits is not going to perform as well as it would at 10% it's capability say. So what is going to sound better here, a 6.5" driver at 95% it's capability producing 100db's or a 15" driver at 10% it's capability producing 100db's...now of course there is more to factor in then just output, but you get the idea.
You say that they use "extensive modelling to achieve good extension as well as greater output" but if we take a look at Hoffman's Iron Law...we come to a different conclusion!! By this law you have a balance between low frequency capability, box size, and efficiency where if you want to increase any one of the three, you have to give up the other two. Looking at bose designs, you have very small enclosures with relatively inefficient drivers (they can't really handle that much wattage, nor do they make up for it in driver displacement) which ultimately means you sacrafice low frequency capability!! Bose cannot overcome this law, no matter how good their engineers are.
Well, as you haven't even heard the thing, how can you possibly formulate any valid opinion?? Point blank...go listen and get back to me pure and simple...and I will put your system or mine against it anyday and come up second against it for the average reception sound quality...say what you will...but say it after you hear it, until then you're simply shooting blanks.
As for a 6.5" driver producing bass...obviously you've never heard some very good monitors....Might I suggest you auditiopn the Legacy Studio then get back with me about that too...
The point, by employing this wave guide you can gain significant extension and ouput regardless of what you might think so then the driver isn't working at 95% as you say.
This debate is as pointless as tube vs solid state amplification....no one will win! I'm more then willing to go listen to them, except there is no where local to me that sells bose equipment. Even then, am I really going to enjoy a coloured and processed sound as compared to a natural one? That's another question.
Agreed that a 6.5" can produce bass, but you're neglecting a few points. Firstly even with the most optimized enclosure, a 6.5" driver can only displace so much air and therefore only have so much output which inheritenly rolls off the lower the frequency goes, no matter how good the driver or enclosure is. The second point, when you say go listen to monitors that produce bass with 6.5" drivers...lets look at some fundemental differences in the enclosure. The Bose system from what I read is about the size of a bread box...monitors on the other hand, are quite a bit larger...this increases the efficiency and low end extension! It's in the design.
I really didn't want to get involved in this debate but I think you need to at least listen to the Bose system before you give an opinion. I'll be honest with you I am not a Bose fan but to make conclusions based on spec sheets is not the way to do it. Give Bose some credit for thinking outside the box. They have taken centuries old pipe organ technology and modernized it with their wave aparture. Can you find better sound from any other company in anything that size. I saw the PAS at GC and didn't give it much thought, now I'm going to listen to it and form my own opinion.
I have heard bose systems before, just not the one in question here. I've compared them to other equal gear (same price range) and the bose didn't come close to the performance. Their technology is no more then bandpass enclosures, which although boost output do not lend themselves to accuracy.
Sorry guys, bose is not worthwhile in any way shape or form!
What's really sad is that we have someone so closed minded and opinionated that they would basically tell a seasoned professional likely doing far better than he is that he has no idea what he's talking about when in FACT, it's just the polar opposite!
The signature says it all...your a noob...so why not act like it and take a chance on actually learning something instead of running off when you have not the first clue on how his system actually sounds?!
As for your speaking of small monitors, I can point out quite a few smaller than that without the use of waveguides who can produce 40Hz bass. In that size cabinet and using the large guide, regardless of what you might "think" or what you've read about some consumer equipment that isn't even in the same league of what were actually talking about, they in fact DO make reasonable bass in a very small cabinet....period. Further, you have absolutely zero credibility about the subject until such time as you actually hear the system in a practical setting. Most Guitar Center showrooms are far from practical as well.
Now, 3 people on this thread happens to find the sound quite enjoyable. One is the actual owner of the system and quite successful. The other is DJNickyB, our resident Rocket Scientest, Lighting Guru and sound afficionado. Lastly myself. I've been addicted to true audiophile sound for quite sometime now and am not afraid to tell things like it is, regardless of how popular bashing a particular brand might be...I call a spade a spade regardless of who makes it.
Now given this, I tend to believe what I read when it comes from people whos judgement I trust. I also believe my own two ears. All of your posts and links to other posts means nothing when you talk about this system since YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD IT!!!
In the future, perhaps you will keep your comments dissing someone else system to yourself until such time as you've actually heard a similiar system. It isn't professional and that's what this site is all about in case you forgot. I hope we can convince a true professional to return to this site and hope that you remember the name of the site everytime you post from now on.
Someone's getting angry...and acting a little less then professional themselves. :roll:
Hoffman's Iron Law, read about it....
Then do yourself a favour and look at the design of bose "bass modules" and they're nothing more then bandpass enclosures.
Then explain to me how it is at all possible for them to create any decent bass. And if you can't do that, get me an RTA plot of one of these systems and post it. Hell I'll email bose and ask for one right now, how much you want to bet they won't give me one?