How Much Wattage is in Your Cottage?

What Wattage Do You Typically Run?

  • Approx 400 - 800 watts per channel

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  • Approx 1200 watts per channel or more

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Ken Heath

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It depends on whether I'm running a sub/sat system (700w total)...amp/speaker system (750w total)...or two powered speakers system (500w total)...

Or maybe if I run them all together!!! (1950w total) :lol:

I will soon be adding another sub/sat system (1200w total)...this takes the arsenal to a whopping 3150w!!! :shock:

These are the options for my main system, auxiliary systems vary by assignment and necessity.
 

Jon Bruce

Sanity Checker
Cap,

How do you make any money with speakers that small?

I am running JBL Eon 1500's and an amp. Crown or QSC.

Plenty of non stop rockin!
 

Cap

Always At Your Service
BOSE PAS System

Voodoodriver: The BOSE PAS system is a completely new design and physics in speaker technology. There are other manufacturers preparing similar products, but BOSE seems to be first. Only two places you can buy them: BOSE and the Guitar Center chain.

Please do not misconstrue my next comments. In advance, they are not meant to tweak anyone's nose, cast negative clouds, nor invoke a storm of protest. This is my truth therefore it need not be everyones. If there's any disagreement, state your own case and do not attack mine. Fair enough?

Credentials:
26 years as a Mobile DJ. This week, I celebrate my 20th year as full-time career DJ entertainer. I am 61 years old, happily married, the kids are all grown up and gone. I'm strictly a solo-op with no employees or on-site assistants, do not sub-contract in or out, average 100-120 events a year, have been blessed with near six figure incomes for several years running, total career earnings exceed $1m. (Thank you Mark Ferrell for bringing the message home to me). For 2005, I currently have 60+ engagements confirmed/retained and 5 pending at an average fee of $1,100 per event. I have 3 booked in 2006. I do not offer nor provide lights, karaoke, bubbles, fog/haze, or props. Not my personal choice of style or presentation.

Although poor gear can definitely ruin an event, I don't sell my gear, I sell my service, me feeling that clients rightfully expect me to have the right "stuff".

I first heard the BOSE PAS system at the Guitar Center in Albany, NY on a Tuesday. Never had I heard anything like it before anywhere in any venue. Sold everything I had on Wednesday, bought two PAS systems on Thursday and used them for the first time at 3 weddings that same weekend. I now own 4 systems costing upward of $10g, tax included.

I have included a picture taken recently. This picture was taken earlier this year at the Crowne Plaza Hotel in Albany at the birthday party for NYS Governor George Pataki which I've had the pleasure of Musically Hosting for four years. This year was the first using the BOSE PAS. There were over 500 people in attendance in the huge ballroom. I (using the ever popular phrase) "rocked the house", filled the room with perfect sound, edge-to-edge, and not ONE complaint about volume. The kudos received regarding life-like music clarity, perfect volume, and no mic feedback (several speeches were made within 36" of the radiators) from the Lt. Governor and the Mayor of Albany made me blush and beam.

Just having the name BOSE out in front of John Q Public obtains instantaneous approval and acceptance which cannot be said about any other brand. Those equipment names and numbers previously mentioned mean nothing to an average client or to anyone except other DJs. Until you personally listen to the BOSE PAS, you cannot possibly have any appreciation for their abilities, power, and propagation techniques.

That's how I make my money and if it is in the good Lord's will, perhaps for the next 20 more years. Thanks for asking and listening.

 

#1someguy

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It's still bose and they still suck. Sorry but physics or not, they can't break the laws. If you want to make noise, you need something to vibrate, and the more area you have vibrating, the more output you can have. So regardless of how good bose is...they can't make 3" drivers vibrate more then a 15" driver.

As for their little thing about conventional approach. It's a bunch of BS...any properly designed sound system in combination with a good technician will not suffer from dispersion problems or hot spots. Anyone who has listened to a full JBL vertec setup will agree, that the sound is even from right down in front all the way up to the farthest back rows. Conventional technology works!

Also, notice ... there are no traditional specifications for any of their equipment on the site (please link me if there is because I'm quite curious) I would like to see the true power output, sensitivities, a frequency response graph, and a few other of the normal specs you'd see with any other loud speaker. They would publish them if they had nothing to hide!


As for the little "bass modules" I'll quote
B1 Bass Module The B1 Bass Module produces deep, strong bass for keyboards, kick drum, bass guitar and other instruments that play in the baritone/bass range. Two high output, high excursion 6 1/2 inch drivers deliver strong performance to each note of your music. It’s compact, weighs less than 30 pounds and connects to the PS1 Power Stand with a single cable.
I'd be willing to put up my single 15" sub that I built against 4-6 of those bose ones and willing to bet I will have them beat in output, throw distance, and sound quality.
 

NickyB

Gear and Equipment Moderator
My system is simple ..... two powered subs and two powered tops.

EV SBa-750 and an EV SXa-360 per side 750w + 500w = 1250w/side
96lbs. 42lbs.

NickyB
 

Cap

Always At Your Service
Thanks For Your Understanding

Why do I waste my time? Indeed, sorry for wasting yours.
 

MIXSIRS

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Cap

I hope you are still going to post. I find your posts very informative. You have a good understanding of the DJ business in all its aspects. I would not get too upset about some of the replies.
 

Jon Bruce

Sanity Checker
John,

I totally agree. I was trying to tweak Cap a little bit. (I know the guy)

He can and has done more shows on a weekend than I do in a month. And he does it well.

Personally, if I need really big sound, I rent. There are several Bass players with nice gear gathering dust in my area. or another DJ with a wall of sound that can load in and set that stuff up for me.
 

#1someguy

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Let me clarify. I'm not insulting him as a business man, nor am I even trying to waste your time. I am simply stating that after reading everything on that bose website, I am not convinced that they can come anywhere close to the performance of conventional speakers. To the best of my knowledge the BEST 6.5" drivers in the world, using xbl^2 technology are just breaking into the double digits in excursion (ie 10-13mm area linear one way xmax) The displacement out of that 6.5" diameter comes to 364 cubic centimeters! And that's only if they have 13mm of xmax (which I highly doubt). Compartively the 15" driver I'm using for my sub has 1701 cubic centimeters of displacement. So with 2 of those 6.5" drivers I still have over 2 times the displacement keeping in mind that the 6.5" driver is a VERY HIGH estimate of what a 6.5" can do.
 

Cap

Always At Your Service
Thanks For Your Understanding

In closing this ProDJ journey,
Mixsirs & VooDoo: Thank you for your kind words. If I may be help to either, feel free to contact me. (cap@imadj.com)

#1someguy: Too bad you seem to have taken a close-minded approach and avenue of condemnation having had no personal experience in listening to them. This kind of thinking is that of those who said man can't fly, the world is flat, bigger is better, and this list is endless. Get those questions answered by your technologically advanced peers. Logon into the BOSE forum and fire away. Best wishes to you and your career.
 

Don Niles

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I think we are comparing apples to oranges here..Without saying who's who..Differerent DJ's at different stages in life with different performance skills,musical knowledge,AND physical abilities..YET,they all seem to be getting bookings..
 

#1someguy

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I have read all of the white papers, owners manuals, and guides on this bose system now and I'm definetly sticking by my previous comments. They do not list any real specifications for this system, there is no real technical details on how these two little 6.5" drivers are able to deliver any real amounts of bass output. There are only a few plasuable enclosure designs for a sub that small and none of them really yield any outstanding results. I can see if they were able to do a larger horn loaded enclosure with a 6.5 there would be some hope of having SOME output but still nowhere near anything worth while. I also have to ask, if this is one of the best systems out there, then why isn't everyone using it? I sure see a lot more JBL, EV, EAW, Meyer, KV2, Mackie, B52, etc then BOSE getting used in the pro audio world. I will be more then willing to listen to your system if you're willing to demonstrate it to me. If I am impressed, I will tell you, but if I'm not I will again stand by my statements that bose is not capable of creating a real speaker.

In all my years of audio, with lots of reading...I have come across two groups of people, those that really like bose, and those that really don't like bose. The ones that like bose tend to be those people who do not know much about speakers or audio. The ones that don't like bose are the audiophiles, the enthusiasts, the professionals...the ones who KNOW audio! Bose are over priced, over rated, pieces of crap in all honesty and many independant testers have verified that they do not reproduce sound "the way it's meant to be heard".

Sorry if my mind is narrow, but there is no way that those speakers can really rival their big brothers on anything other then portability due to their very lacking size. I will do more research on these, and try to prove myself wrong...but I highly doubt that will happen.

One last thing, me and my career....if that is meant in any way as an insult or in a sarcastic manner I wish for you to retract that statement. No explination needed.
 

Ken Heath

Super Moderator...da-ta-daaa!!!
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"I like Chocolate"

"I like Vanilla"

"Chocolate's better!"

"No, Vanilla is better!"

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Evidently you both have systems that work for you... quit being so d*mned defensive.

I use equipment that gets the job done for me...some of it I've purchased, some of it I've won in raffles in Vegas, some of it has been gifted to me...but it all works together for a pleasing final result.

Amar Bose pioneered many technologies that have spread to many different applications over the years, his theories are viable and his results are truly amazing considering the size of drivers utilized in his cabinets. I have had experience with their entire line at one time or another, except for these new ones and I would like to hear them properly set-up and hear for myself how they sound.

As for the moving mass argument...well, not everyone is trying to loosen guests fillings! I get compliments all the time on the perfect level at which I keep the cocktail music, and since I could be using anything from Cerwin-Vega to B-52 to American Audio...I believe it has more to do with the operator paying attention than the speakers he's using!

Since Cap seems to stay quite busy with an upscale clientelle, I'd be inclined to listen to his observations and admonitions...I'd like to play for more of the society elite, get treated better and make more money...who wouldn't?

Play Nice Boys!
 

#1someguy

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Ken I am not discrediting Cap in any way. I am simply looking at what the BOSE system could possibly do and not seeing much hope out of it. I've never been impressed with BOSE, I'm biased plain and simple.

I can understand that not everyone is looking for pure output levels. But even at low volumes the arguement stands. You can't accurately reproduce low frequencies without displacement! In the same respect, whatever the mini drivers (I'm assuming 2-3") in the towers, I can not see them being able to produce midbass/midrange frequencies very well. It screams line array at very least, and a weak one at that.

Sure the opperator can tone things down, and make for nice cocktail music...but when it comes to playing for a room full of 200-300 guests to an event, will it really be able to deliver the output required to get the room hopping? My intution tells me otherwise.

And simply because he does upscale events, does not mean he has better ears, or even better equipment then anyone else here. Certainly that is more based on his marketting talents and professionalism with his clientelle then what his speakers are capable of doing? Wouldn't you agree?
 

Bill_Goode

Mobile Beat Moderator
Staff member
Could not have said it better myself Ken.....

I take a different approach...

It does not matter how much wattage I use. What matters to me is having the versatility to get the job done.

Along those lines, I have three sound systems that I am in the process of combining into one "scaleable" system.

When I am done, it will be made up of 4 JBL Mpro 215s, 2 EV Eliminator subs, and 4 JBL Eon G2s. The passives will be driven by Carver PM amps, fed by a DRPA, and controlled by a AMDJ Commander mixer with both PCs and CDs.

This will be used for my big events such as proms, large holiday functions, and a chraity event I do that has over 1500 folks.

I also am probably the only one to come here and tell everyone of some events where I have used a CDMix1 and ONE Eon G2.

Wattage does not matter, it is how you use your equipment in relation to the event.
 

NickyB

Gear and Equipment Moderator
#1someguy -

I have heard the Bose system pictured and I was amazed. No it doesn't have the high SPL that is available in other systems but I will say it is the most even sounding system I've ever heard bar none. No matter where you stand in the room, it sounds the same everywhere! Can that 6" woofer deliver a low bass note .... yes with the 'waveguide' technology that Bose built into the cabinet. Will it come out at 125db .... no way, but it will be heard and very fully to say the least.

This all boils down to portability and gearing your system to the gig requirements. I've heard many DJ's use Bose systems .... I personally like EV's. When I started I used EAW's which were fantastic but too damned heavy for mobile work. After my 3rd lower back injury from putting them on tripods, my orthopedic surgeon highly recommended I either get help or go to a lighter box.....I traded them for my first set of EV sx-300's. It became a matter of necessity. When I started looking furhter into it, is when I became a serious advocate of modularity ..... and you know what? There are a lot of sound contractors who totally agree with me using their concepts!

NickyB
 

#1someguy

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I guess it's really hard to compare nicky. I can understand where you're coming from on portability and your back for sure. I'm young, and lifting 60+ pound cabinets onto stands has yet to be a problem for me...and more often then not I work with a partner so between the two of us, lifting speakers onto a stand is a breeze.

What it comes down to with the bose system is really if it can perform like the other ones out there. Now certainly I trust your ear enough to know that it must sound pretty good ... however I still doubt it has the performance of anything else in it's price range. $2000 is quite the sticker for a stick wouldn't you think? And at that price it would be very easy to pick up a few nice powered cabinets such as the EV sx stuff.

And despite what you say about low notes, I have to disagree. I have a very hard time believing that a little 6.5" driver is truly capable of producing decent output down to the 30hz reigon. I fully beleive however it could produce 50hz, but to me that isn't truly a "low note". Even with 8" drivers I've used, even the best of them start to struggle when you ask them to maintain output below 40hz. "waveguide" is no more then the type of enclosure they use if I'm not mistaken, and it doesn't magically make a driver capable of producing lower notes then what it's naturally able to do.

One last thing before I wrap this up, I've read quite a few articles about bose systems, both home and pro, and have some listening time on the home audio end of their stuff. It just fails to impress me...when demoing a bose 8 series system versus an equally priced paradigm, the paradigm setup was much more accurate and the output was far nicer then the bose system. This is backed up by some articles I've read, most notibally this one which shows just how flawed their speakers really are when it comes to real world measurements. I do disagree with some of the generalizations he makes, however there is no disagreement from real world RTA results.

I'll leave with this though, I whole heartedly agree that portability and modularity are GREAT things in the audio industry and I look forward to continued development in this field, however you will NEVER see me buy a piece of bose equipment nor will I ever begin to believe that the products bose make are anything short of failures.
 

NickyB

Gear and Equipment Moderator
Oh ..... I forgot to add ... the only piece of BOSE gear I own is their wave clock radio which does its job flawlessly .... the damned things wakes me up every morning at 6:30am and that's getting old!

NickyB
 

#1someguy

New Member
NickyB said:
Oh ..... I forgot to add ... the only piece of BOSE gear I own is their wave clock radio which does its job flawlessly .... the damned things wakes me up every morning at 6:30am and that's getting old!

NickyB
My radio wakes me up every morning too, and I bet it cost a heck of a lot less....
 
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