Grinding / Freak Dancing: Your DJ Position

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Chris Wagner

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There has been some media attention given to grinding, freak dancing, and the overall nature of dancing at school dances. Now it's your turn to sound off.

1) What is your position as a DJ and/or owner of your company?

2) If you were the principal or administrator at your school and faced with the increased media attention and perhaps pressure from your community, how would you approach school dances?
 
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Beachcitiesdjs

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I don't really do kids parties anymore,
I find kids annoying, but I never cared how sleazily they danced, they thought the 50's rock music was scandalous, so every generation will try to out do the last until some Amish, footloose back lash happens in the future.

If I were an administrator, my school would have Sadie Hawkins dances and Sock Hops, forcing the little buggers to listen to Country and Oldies! Ha. Let them learn history.
 

mikeswain

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Well, I have two positions on this subject.
1. As a DJ, it is my job to get people (regardless of age) out on the dance floor, well dancing. I don't care what kind of dancing as long as they are having fun.

2. As a parent, it is my job to keep my child safe and therefore I don't want him going to a dance and rubbing all over some girl, especially so girl I have never met.

When it comes to running my business, I have to look at it from the bottom line. If I play music that gets the kids grinding, do I do whatever I want not say anything which will result in me not getting hired back or do I do what the school wants and say something to the kids? This is the question that I think we all ask ourselves each time we are doing a school dance. What I end up doing is switching to a different type of song, one that will keep the kids apart.

I had a middle school dance this past Friday and it was put on by the PTO (formally PTA) and they told me to say something before I started playing and then continue to say it whenever I saw kids start to grind or get too close to each other. It was tough to do, because it was messing up the energy on the floor.

Ultimately, you will have to do whatever is in your company's best interest.

All that and I didn't even talk about the second question you had! LOL

One school that I do all of their dances started last year making the kids sign a contract not to do dancing like that. It stated that if they break the rules, then they would not be allowed to stay and it also stated that if you get kicked out of any of the dances, then you would not be allowed to attend any other school dance for the rest of the year. It also stated that if caught, they would be in ISS (in school suspension) for the rest of the year.
 

Sir Charles

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As long as there has been media and conservatism, there has been a problem with the way kids dance. As long as the musics clean lyrically and can be reasonably edited for suggestive content (some are just too suggestive to be played), and hasn't been specifically requested to not be played, I'll play it. YOu're the DJ, how can you stop people from dancing the way they do? The role of the parents, chaperones, and school administrators is to set the boundaries with the kids as to what is acceptable and what is not.

AT this point there's no way to prevent the kids from listening to the music they enjoy. Too many outlets. I know several administrators who let the kids know that grinding is unacceptable and they enforce it at the dance with consequences for violators.

BUt let's face it, if you're from the south side of Chicago and you want to provide a safe escape from the streets by having a dance for the students, you put those kind of restrictions and the students won't come. They've got bigger issues to worry about and a little grinding will not matter.
 

Anthony Martorano

School Dance Moderator
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Lol, I love how the inevitable "I don't do school dances I hate kids" post always occurs in a thread like this!!

Our position is that we will make an effort to help the administration with whatever they consider to be offensive. If that means making an announcement for them at the beginning of the dance, we'll do that. If it means going into a school that you already know is a little more conservative and being a little extra careful, we'll do that. We will usually make sure we still play pretty much everything we want, but usually if you switch up the music at those conservative schools, you'll keep the admin happy. Play the Cupid Shuffle right after something that they're grinding to. That song is decent enough and since it's a participation dance it keeps the admin happy.

My personal view on the grinding is that it doesn't bother me at all. I think this thing is being blown way out of proportion. I think a lot of the teachers and administrators would be shocked to find out what goes on at HS house parties!
 

taylorj74

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I just had a problem with this same issue this past Friday. I explained to the principal that no matter what I played (that the students would like) they would grind. It is the chaprones' job to patrol the dance floor. He looked around and not one teacher/chaparone was involved with the kids, they were talking to each other or otherwise occupied. I asked him to walk thru the middle of the dance floor and see what reaction the kids had. It was like the parting of the red sea...the grinding stopped when he was anywhere near. I think he understood what I was trying to convey. I am going to talk to him later this week (got a Buffet concert to attend first!!) and make some suggestions to help with this.

I think it is up to me to monitor and adjust (which i did) and change up the songs when things get too heated on the dance floor, but I can only do so much without the help of the staff. I could tank the dance, but since they use it as a fund raiser, I don't think they want this.

I had one parent tell me one time to stop playing grinding music because her daughter (who was right there in front of us on the dance floor) was grinding. I had a hard time not telling her it was her responsibility to make her daughter stop.

Kids will do what you let them get away with...and a little more...
 

Chris Michaels

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I share a common goal, along with administrators and faculty, to make dances safe and fun for all in attendance.

As a Disc Jockey, I feel my goal and purpose for being at the event is to play music and to create an atmosphere conducive to dancing, using music and lighting.

Administrators and faculty are responsible for enforcing the rules and behaviors at school events.

It is not my job to police the style of dancing. I will assist with music tempo changes.

Sir Charles experienced what is wrong with most PTOs and Admins. They want the DJ to be the bad guy and make the announcement about appropriate dancing. This needs to be addressed prior to the dance and at every dance!

At a few of my schools, the admin makes the announcement and enforces it. The kids wear wrist bands. First offense, they band is cut off. Second offense, they kid is cut off, removed from the dance and mommy is called to pick him up.

As an administrator, I would remind students that social activites are a privelidge and that rules are in place. If the rules are violated by students, they will not be invited to attend the activities.

Many schools use G.P.A. to qualify students for activities.
 
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Chris Michaels

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Our position is that we will make an effort to help the administration with whatever they consider to be offensive. If that means making an announcement for them at the beginning of the dance, we'll do that. If it means going into a school that you already know is a little more conservative and being a little extra careful, we'll do that. We will usually make sure we still play pretty much everything we want, but usually if you switch up the music at those conservative schools, you'll keep the admin happy. Play the Cupid Shuffle right after something that they're grinding to. That song is decent enough and since it's a participation dance it keeps the admin happy.

My personal view on the grinding is that it doesn't bother me at all. I think this thing is being blown way out of proportion. I think a lot of the teachers and administrators would be shocked to find out what goes on at HS house parties!

The biggest concern admins have at my middle schools is parents seeing something inappropriate.

We make an effort to do the last slow song 20 minutes before the end and to play uptempo dance music until the end
 

len

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The title of your post is such a good straight line I can't resist:

My position on grinding is I'm behind it 100%. Especially if the girl in question is hot.
 

That Music Guy

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I've been doing an 800 person middle school for two years. They have had grinding issues.....guess what music was being played.
As of now, I play very little if any urban/hip hop. All high energy stuff; that helps greatly.

I also bring big sound/lights and fog....dazzle them; they'll forget that you forgot to play Lollipop.

Then again, my demographics are much different than many others in the U.S.

You do the best you can do. You can't do it alone though. You have to have school ads ministration on your side. Ultimately THEY have to enforce the rules.

I hate the "cop out" by some dj's. At some point, just like when, as wedding dj's we are given a play list, you make it work......
 

txatty

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Ren: "From the oldest of times, people danced for a number of reasons. They danced in prayer... or so that their crops would be plentiful... or so their hunt would be good. And they danced to stay physically fit... and show their community spirit. And they danced to celebrate." And that is the dancing we're talking about. Aren't we told in Psalm 149 "Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song. Let them praise His name in the dance"? And it was King David - King David, who we read about in dSamuel - and what did David do? What did David do? avid danced before the Lord with all his might... leaping and dancing before the Lord."

Ren
: Ecclesiastes assures us... that there is a time for every purpose under heaven. A time to laugh... and a time to weep. A time to mourn... and there is a time to dance. And there was a time for this law, but not anymore. See, this is our time to dance. It is our way of celebrating life. It's the way it was in the beginning. It's the way it's always been. It's the way it should be now.
 

len

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Ren: "From the oldest of times, people danced for a number of reasons. They danced in prayer... or so that their crops would be plentiful... or so their hunt would be good. And they danced to stay physically fit... and show their community spirit. And they danced to celebrate." And that is the dancing we're talking about. Aren't we told in Psalm 149 "Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song. Let them praise His name in the dance"? And it was King David - King David, who we read about in dSamuel - and what did David do? What did David do? avid danced before the Lord with all his might... leaping and dancing before the Lord."

Ren
: Ecclesiastes assures us... that there is a time for every purpose under heaven. A time to laugh... and a time to weep. A time to mourn... and there is a time to dance. And there was a time for this law, but not anymore. See, this is our time to dance. It is our way of celebrating life. It's the way it was in the beginning. It's the way it's always been. It's the way it should be now.

Thanks for quoting possibly the worst movie of all time. I just threw up a little.
 

DJ Martz

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It is the chaprones' job to patrol the dance floor..once again.... It is the chaprones' job to patrol the dance floor..i had isues and talked it over with the supr..and they tried this..it workes..i watch what i play and i do the line dancing..cha..cupid and yes that works to break it up...fyi some schools that i dont play at have had so many problems with this that they now hire there own teachers..students.. to Dj there dances with a laptop that the teachers in charge have pre loaded with music that they have approved
 

djtunes

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These teenage boys need to wise up and realize that when they turn 21 they'll be paying $20 a song for a dance like that.
PRINT THAT ON A T-SHIRT
 

blueflpro

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Everyone made great points about the grinding issues. I work at a Teen club every weekend that i not booked. The owner doesnt mind the kids grinding , because he's making money. When he tried to enforce a no grinding policy nobody showed up next week. Stoping the fights is what matters most.
 
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