Am I Running Legal???

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Mr.Martin

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I may be a little confused. I've been reading that it is not legal to play Sound Choice discs at my karaoke shows. Let me repeat, I'm using the actual factory discs and not a computer.

Am I safe playing Sound Choice discs?

Thanks.
 

bill_smith

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Not sure of your source of information joe or where you read it at Joe.

There is a lot of issues running sound choice CDGs on computer. Mr Slep is very active in suing people that are running computer karaoke, but nothing to my knowledge tells me that legal CDGS are now forbidden.

Could you elaborate please?
 

Mr.Martin

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Sure Bill. I read a rant on ebay from a seller. I will come back within an hour or 2 and post the item number and you can read it also. This seller is very unhappy and others have chimed in with their rants.

I'll be back. Got to make a couple of phone calls first.
 
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Mr.Martin

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I'm back sooner than expected.

The ebay item number is 300457600279

if that doesn't work for you just search Sound Choice Eagles.

Please let me know your take. Now the phone calls....
 

bjojade

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sounds like this guy is on a rant about having to spend money on karaoke discs. Gotta love the profanities and expectations of being able to only pay for the songs he actually plays at the same time across multiple systems. What a joke.

The only slightly valid beef would be if the Eagles disc was illegal and they didn't offer a refund in exchange for the returned disc.
 

SteveBeck

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you are able to play the cdg discs. you are nt allowed to copy the discs.
This is true in a strict legal sense, but in the MB seminar Mr. Slep indicated Sound Choice would not pursue legal action against a KJ if there is a one-to-one relationship between the songs burned to computer and ownership of the CD+G. I believe the gentleman from Chartbuster (can't recall his name) affirmed the same. They're only after those who buy one CD+G and make multiple copies and those who illegally download instead of purchasing.
 

bill_smith

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Soundchoice's CEO, Kurt Slep has actually instituted an auditing process, and my good friend Skid Rowe, the gentleman with the heart transplant, has become one of the first 100% legally certified computer KJ's.

A 1:1 relationship between copy and original CDG must be certified through an audit, in which Skid took all of his CDGS and his computer to Charlotte, and was audited. Skid has a certificate from SC that is signed by Mr Slep. I've seen it.

I understand that Chartbuster is going through this same type of thing as well.

Joe, Unless you decide to move to Australia, it doesn't appear to be an issue or even valid. Further, since you do not use computers, very little of the issue that this guy rants about is even applicable to you.

I know of no movement afoot to prevent KJ's who have their originals from playing
them at any show that they perform at.

I suppose that if you wanted to, you could call Soundchoice and get an answer directly, but I don't see anything on their website that indicates issues about using legit CDGS.

I am 100% legal and all CDG. I'm not going to worry about this since I can prove purchase on everything I've bought since I started, and I see no reason for you to worry either.
 
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Sound Choice

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Sound Choice Response to Nigel's Posting on Ebay


I was made aware of this thread this morning and wanted to give everyone the TRUTH so there won't be any misconceptions. The Ebay "rant" that was referred to in the thread is a posting from Nigel in VA - a Karaoke Host we are suing for infringement and unfair trade practices. I think it's quite apparent to any reader that he has some serious "issues" and many legit hosts in his area can relay some despicable and underhanded things he has done to them to try to take away their shows or discredit them. He will have his "day in court" which it seems he is so badly wanting, however, it might not turn out like he envisions.

As to various questions that have been brought up here, I encourage you to review the links below and hopefully most of your questions will be answered. Sound Choice operates in the open and as transparently as possible, unlike some who hide behind their screen names and take potshots and rant like incoherent idiots.

Best regards,

Kurt Slep
CEO, Sound Choice

FAQs on our website
http://www.soundchoicestore.com/gem-faq-karaoke-pg-64.html

Info on the Karaoke Industry Association of America
http://www.thekiaa.org/

Safe Harbor Protection for Venues/Registration for Legitimate hosts
http://www.kiaasafeharbor.com/

Mobile Beat Seminar
Album URL: http://vimeo.com/album/1530542
Password: KIAA
 

Mr.Martin

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Kurt:

I've been doing karaoke since 1994. Over the years, I have purchased many different bands of discs including the lessor known/ used discs. Some names that come to mind are Backstage, Sound Image, ect.

Are any of these brands illegal to have at my shows? I may be opening a can of worms, but I want to be legal. By the way, I will never run my show off of a computer. I was old school before old school was cool (lol).
 

Sound Choice

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Get Legit or Quit

No one works harder to support LEGITIMATE Karaoke hosts than Sound Choice. The efforts we are expending to rebuild the industry and support legal karaoke shows goes way beyond good customer service. Via KIAA and our work with other manufacturers, the "GET LEGIT OR QUIT" campaign is geared to helping hosts level the playing field in their area and getting paid a wage that allows them to PAY for their music and run a legitimate show and be profitable. But don't take my word for how we are working for you, feel free to contact the hosts listed on our site here, most of whom have met me personally: http://www.soundchoicestore.com/certified-host-karaoke-pg-69.html

If you want to learn more about the Ebay poster in the thread (Karaokefever aka Nigel) write to any of the VA folks on the above page and ask them about the guy.

Kurt
 

Sound Choice

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Joe,

Almost all of the brands that are now "out of business" (Backstage, NuTEch, Standing Ovation, Northstar, StarDisc, Sweet Georgia Brown, Dangerous, All Hits, Music Maestro, Legends, and on and on) were never licensed by the Music Publishers NOR were any of the Super CDGs which are still floating out there (most of which are pirated copies of even legitimate brands).

If a KIAA representative does an audit of someone's disc set or system, we have agreed to "pass" the system, as long as you hold the original disc. HOWEVER NOTE - we are not stating that your discs are "legal", only that you are 1:1 with an original disc; any user of these brands is at risk of being sued by the respective music publishers, however slim that chance might be. (And in MY OPINION it's a very slim chance given that we, as a competing producer, tried to get them to take action for illegal products and unfair competition for a long time and they declined).

However, given the low quality of most of these products, we would only hope that eventually you would switch to a better brand - one that is still in business and supporting the industry.
 

Mr.Martin

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Kurt:

Thanks for your honest reply. Those "off brands" only make up a very small percentage of my discs. I've been using Sound Choice & Pioneer since I got into this business. I'm even still using 50 of the Pioneer Laser discs. Like I said, I'm old school.

Thanks for taking time out of your day to visit here and answer my questions.

Joe
 

bill_smith

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Kurt, good clarification, and thank you for the additional information.

I remain puzzled though. Many of the Karaoke CDG distributors currently sell these off brands you mention, along with yours. How is it that they can get away with that if they are illegal and never licensed?

Following are a few links downloaded for your review. I particularly wish to point out the Torrent downloading mechanisms. ;)


http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Ahc3gbz0hrSnv662WAxWx2CbvZx4?fr=yfp-t-701-s&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF8&p=sweet georgia brown karaoke

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7noT.GZNemwAhoZXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA3lmcC10LTcwMS1zBGZyMgNzYS1ncARncHJpZANVMlgzQjNlc1R2MkVveXg1Z3Rlc25BBGhvc3RwdmlkAy5YazNFMG9HN3Y3d0xjbmdUTldtOVF4bXJtM1RXazFtLkJNQUFwMU0Ebl9ncHMDMTAEbl92cHMDMARvcmlnaW4Dc3JwBHBvcwMyBHBxc3RyA2JhY2tzdGFnZSBrYXJhbwRxdWVyeQNiYWNrc3RhZ2Uga2FyYW9rZSBjZGcEc2FjAzEEc2FvAzIEdnRlc3RpZANERlI1?p=backstage karaoke cdg&fr=yfp-t-701-s&fr2=sg-gac&sado=1&pqstr=backstage karao


http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7npq.GZNixsANRBXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA3lmcC10LTcwMS1zBGZyMgNzYS1ncARncHJpZANoSFNlQzRfNVJ4R3RyRENsSU1abDVBBGhvc3RwdmlkAzZHa1FyVW9HN3Y3d0xjbmdUTldtOVFoUHJtM1RXazFtLkdvQUM2T1AEbl9ncHMDMTAEbl92cHMDMARvcmlnaW4Dc3JwBHBvcwMxBHBxc3RyA0FsbCBoaXRzIGthcmFva2UEcXVlcnkDYWxsIGhpdHMga2FyYW9rZSBjZGcEc2FjAzEEc2FvAzIEdnRlc3RpZANERlI1?p=all hits karaoke cdg&fr=yfp-t-701-s&fr2=sg-gac&sado=1&pqstr=All hits karaoke

Joe,

Almost all of the brands that are now "out of business" (Backstage, NuTEch, Standing Ovation, Northstar, StarDisc, Sweet Georgia Brown, Dangerous, All Hits, Music Maestro, Legends, and on and on) were never licensed by the Music Publishers NOR were any of the Super CDGs which are still floating out there (most of which are pirated copies of even legitimate brands).

If a KIAA representative does an audit of someone's disc set or system, we have agreed to "pass" the system, as long as you hold the original disc. HOWEVER NOTE - we are not stating that your discs are "legal", only that you are 1:1 with an original disc; any user of these brands is at risk of being sued by the respective music publishers, however slim that chance might be. (And in MY OPINION it's a very slim chance given that we, as a competing producer, tried to get them to take action for illegal products and unfair competition for a long time and they declined).

However, given the low quality of most of these products, we would only hope that eventually you would switch to a better brand - one that is still in business and supporting the industry.
 

Sound Choice

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Distributors Sued Also

Hi Bill,

Many of the top distributors and resellers of the "off brands" HAVE BEEN sued. Karaoke.com, KaraokeWarehouse, Pro-Sing (which is no longer in business), Lynn's Corporation, Ace Karaoke, to name the ones that first come to mind. I just did a quick review of Karaoke.com's site and did not see any of the unlicensed lines, although they used to carry all of them prior to their "engagement" with the publishers.

As for the bit-torrent sites, unfortunately, even the major record labels have a difficult time dealing with them given the current weakness in the DMCA law as it is today (i.e., letting the ISPs off "scott free"). But there is a move afoot in Congress to make it more difficult for the ISPs to look the other way and to fight on-line piracy.

http://infojustice.org/archives/1215
 

jjhall5150

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I've been researching this issue myself, since I have had requests for Karaoke. I am thinking of building a small system.

I understand that the 1:1 ratio is in relation to CDG to MP3 file.

Are the SD card packs that are offered by Chartbuster, also covered by this definition, since an SD is not a CDG
 
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