A DJ with a Timeline is Not a Wedding Planner

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Tim English

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Bill,
I am starting a blog too, so I've looked into some of these legal issues. Since it was fresh in my mind, I thought I could contribute some useful information. Obviously Mr. Burger will run his site as he wishes. I was merely making a statement of fact that it is always LEGAL to provide text links. I did not mean to imply that it is universally allowed here. As a newbie blogger, I don't want people thinking it's illegal to link back to blogs without permission. Please, link away! So long as it is allowed in the particular venue where the link would appear.

My apologies for not being clear.
 

Beachcitiesdjs

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I rarely misread anything I have been reading since age 4

I think you misread the post. My gist was a wedding planner complaining of a DJ claiming they do the same job, almost like us complaining about iPod weddings.

And you even seem to confirm this notion. Yes, some (or most) of us do great work helping coordinate and/or taking care of a lot of little things, but at the reception. By and large, we don't take responsibility for vendor shopping, ceremony coordination, getting wedding party to locations like hair & makeup on time, etc. Things a good wedding planner should do. Many here have had run-ins with poor wedding planners, much like a good wedding planner has had run-ins with poor DJs. Sounds like this wedding planner had a run-in with a DJ who is over promising something they couldn't possibly deliver.


Actually if you read my erudite retort, my brother in law is a photographer, I recc. them, if the budget allows, and his wife does airbrush make up. I have 2 videographers I recommend and a chair cover person, florist,
and limo company. I am literally helping plan, as well performing as a most convivial dj.

On the events I coordinated, I wrote the game plan for ceremony, made song suggestions, etc. I mean come on, any DJ who has been around 10 or more yeas has figured out which vendors are cool to work with, and which ones are *******s. I've been considering geting a job at one of these locales, AS their coordinator, since I could do that in my sleep.

Add the bonus of being a straight male, and you eliminate the 'hissy fit' factor, and get a pragmatic, no BS approach to fitting everythig you want in your budget, and having the party go well.

I do challenge a layman, from any other occupation that hasn't DJ'd before,
to step up to my mic and try to come near my performance.

Conversely, I have had to re-adjust the valves PROPERLY on my sister's
Toyota 4runner, when her moron mechanic couldn't get it right THREE TIMES. (I read the chapter on valves) I have also done, electrical,
tile, construction work, essentially re-doing the work the moron before me did wrong.

So, without sounding as cocky as some of the guys on here, (you know who you are and I love ya for it) Reading by age 4 on a 6th grade level,
college level by 6th grade, and carried a 4.0 gpa through college.

Imagine Doogie Houser with denon cd player, but with the face of Alac Baldwin. LOL
 

MBM

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A DJ can and many times does function as a Day Of Cordinator but is not a Wedding Planner.
 

Beachcitiesdjs

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I think more DJs should take a Learning Annex course, or read a magazine article,
then market ourselves as wedding planners.

Since more often than not clients book the DJ last, where not bump ourselves up a peg, and get booked earlier in the process, while there is still a budget?

I'm sure there is an extension course we can take and get a certificate
 

Chris Wagner

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I do believe discussion of the author's article is fair game under the Fair Use Doctrine. ProDJ / Mobile Beat is not claiming the work is their own. The material is purely subject of discussion.

(Not necessarily legal definition, but a good summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use )
 

Beachcitiesdjs

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We offer internships for our graduates!

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---300 hours. Let's see, that's 60 gigs at 5 hours each. That covers my first
year of DJing at weddings when I was doing close to 2 per weekend. How many hours does one accrue after 2000 jobs? That's 10,000 hours of DJ work done on 2 coasts and Europe.
 

Beachcitiesdjs

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this would be a worthwhile investment for DJs

Founded in 1981, the Association of Bridal Consultants (ABC) is an international trade association with 2,400 members worldwide. It offers members three professional designations (these are not certifications): Professional Bridal Consultant, Accredited Bridal Consultant and Master Bridal Consultant. It takes at least six years to reach the senior level. Training begins with a five-part home study program with coursework in etiquette, sales, marketing, the wedding day, related services, planning and consulting. The cost of the five-part program is $340; it's also possible to take each course individually at a cost of $85 apiece (plus $90 for the start-up manual). Membership dues are $215 annually (with a $30 one-time application fee), although most new consultants can qualify for the $140 novice rate.


Considering we spend as much on lights, mics, a new suit. Or worse someone informationless 6 cd set on how to be a dj...this would be a nice feather in the DJs cap, esp when dealing with a b*tch like the one who won't refer the DJ because he'd cut into her income.




Jeez, we work hard to make out 5% for dooing all the work during a reception, and she's greedy about not cutting into her 15%? Here's a symbolic face slap with leather gloves. LOL
 

Daniel David

New Member
Certified Wedding Planner

GES 204 -- 300 hours -- Certification Preparation Program

This nationally recognized certified wedding planner-coordinator course teaches the student how to become a successful wedding planner and coordinator. This comprehensive program covers everything an aspiring wedding planner needs to know to get started in the business. Whether you plan on working part-time, planning only a few weddings a year, or a full-time career, this program will provide all the tools necessary to work as a professional wedding planner or start your wedding planning business. This online certificate program is offered in partnership with major colleges, universities, and other accredited education providers.


We offer internships for our graduates!

We offer paid internships where the student works directly with a bride and uses her preferred vendors to work with the bride. The unpaid internship allows our graduates to learn more about what happens behind the scenes with a wedding planner or a vendor and gain more knowledge about the industry.

Click here to view our internship link on our website.


---300 hours. Let's see, that's 60 gigs at 5 hours each. That covers my first
year of DJing at weddings when I was doing close to 2 per weekend. How many hours does one accrue after 2000 jobs? That's 10,000 hours of DJ work done on 2 coasts and Europe.

I took it one step further and actually spoke to their online assistant.

She provided me with the following link http://www.weddingplanninginstitute.com/exam.html

You can actually bypass the course if you meet the minimum requirements and take the exam.

Reasonably priced considering what some of us charge to perform at a wedding.

That could add yet another level of service seperation from the competition. A DJ who is also certified as a wedding planner........hmmmmm
 

bill_smith

MobileBeat Moderator
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PRODJ/Mobilebeat becomes liable if there is some butthead who decides to be less than civil, and the originator gets ticked off enough to file a suit.

However, I trust that since we've procured permission, albeit late, and the Blogger is approved to post, she will get in here to say hi.

See you all in Vegas!!!!
 

Cap

Always At Your Service
Some of us took that step years ago.

Returning to the college ranks, and thus getting in touch with my feminine side, I successfully completed an intensive course in Wedding Event Planning and Bridal Consulting, receiving a career diploma in both.

There are many identical or overlapping facets and functions performed a quality experienced "control freak" mobile DJ and a quality "let the pros do their thing" wedding planner.

The majority of conflicts and negative differences that arise will be mostly between the bedroom jock and the bedroom 3rd party planner. A bedroom planner is a person who, like the bedroom DJ, prints out a homemade business card, calls themselves professional, and therefore by their own ordination, are so. Or, they are fresh out of college with a degree in, like, biology, and can't find related suitable employment.

Be careful of the bedroom planners. They rely entirely on schmooze, gaining the total confidence and trust of the bride by sucking up, stroking her to no ends, and then, by pure male bovine excrement, become your worst nightmare.

My first question to any outside 3rd party Planner or Consultant is now, where did you get your training and certification? If there is neither, and they still take on the hob nailed boot, wedding Nazi persona, after showing them both my certifications and diplomas, politely suggest they, "Sit back, shut the f'k up, and take notes". Please don't get the idea this is routine. Only twice has such preemptive force been required in order to save the day from total disaster.

The extra work in schooling and expense was well worth the extra leverage and credibility it provides. Please also understand, the majority of Event Planners & Consultants I deal with regularly are simply fabulous to work with because we do share the same mentality and agenda and work as a team.
 
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UNDJ

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Funny that this thread has appeared just now. Got a call yesterday from a “wedding planner”…

WP: “Hi this is XXX from XXX XXX XXX. I have a bride who’s getting married on May 1 and her DJ cancelled on her, so I was wondering if I could get some prices.”

Me: “Well, I can’t just spit out a ‘magic number’. I’m going to need to ask you some questions so I can determine which one of our entertainment packages would be a best fit for your client.”

WP: “Umm, well, is there any way you could just give me a couple different prices so I can tell her?”

Me: “Well, again, I’m going to need at least some basic information so I can give you some type of idea of what the cost would be.”

The “wedding planner” then tells me that the event will be at the Hilton and they need music for the ceremony, cocktail hour, and the reception. I then asked who they had originally hired as their DJ and I had never even heard of the person (no company name, just a guy’s first and last name). I then give her a couple prices and options and she gives me the old “We’ll get back to you” and hangs up.

So, it was a price shopping call from a so-called “wedding planner” for a Hilton wedding nonetheless (you can easily see where the DJ was on the priority list). I Googled her company name and couldn’t find a thing. You’d think if she was a professional, she would’ve asked more than “How much?” I can expect these types of calls from brides who don’t know any better, but a wedding planner? Come on now.
 

maestro

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UNDJ, maybe it was a bride posing as a wedding planner thinking she would get better pricing that way.
 

djtunes

Checking Reality
I have seen Wedding Planners at both extremes. I have had a Wedding Planner line up the bridal party ONE TIME for me. It was the one time I looked like a goofball during intros. Any other well intentioned help since then has been declined appreciatively.
I have worked with some Wedding Planners that made my job seem SOOOOOOO much easier. A good Wedding Planner is a special person to me.
Sometimes when I hear Wedding Planner I cringe. I did a wedding where the Wedding Planner approached me more than once stating "It's time for this, or that." Meanwhile the Bride or the Groom or the Father (each time one of the main participants) was nowhere to be found.
I am always pleased when I work with actual polished professionals. I admire, and sometimes adore a Wedding Planner that has her act together. It's great when I don't have to do the running, and balancing act that I have to do at 99% of weddings.
I really don't see a lot of Wedding Planners. Of the few I do see it's a 50/50 chance that she's competent.
Probably the same way for her with competent DJs.
 

FulltimeDJs

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Please also understand, the majority of Event Planners & Consultants I deal with regularly are simply fabulous to work with because we do share the same mentality and agenda and work as a team.


I need to move where you are. I do higher priced weddings and 1 out of every 6 planners is competent and doesn't interfere with what the client and I are trying to accomplish. I think alot of it has to do with an assumption thay make that we are like most of the other DJ companies out here..which we are NOT!.
 
WOW! Peter Merry sent me the nicest email, I feel so honored! And thanks to those of you who invited me to Vegas, I wish I could join you, it's snowing in Kentucky and cold! I will be there in September for the Wedding MBA.

My intent was to jolt one local DJ in Lexington and I feel like I started a nationwide debate. The things I was talking about were specific to him, but not wanting to use his name, I used general terms and in a wider audience, it took on new meaning. I love the DJ's I work with here in Lexington, we have some great guys and its always a party. But the DJ in question has a reputation for going through the buffet line for the wedding couple, getting them drinks at the bar, and running off to the hotel kitchen to confer with banquet captains. His music has stopped. Not every bride hires a planner, but when a bride is actively interviewing planners with the full intent to hire one, I don't feel its his place to discourage that in order to sign a bride, telling her he can "do it all." His performance would be better, and that's what his brides deserve.

That said, I think it would be fantastic if you all got certified as wedding planners, because brides don't always hire one and it would make the whole process so much easier on the bride. I am big on education and attend seminars, etc. whenever I can. You all do work more weddings than I ever will, I am at 230 in 12 years. Even though I do this fulltime, my role is stretched out over 3 to 12 months and the level of detail that I deal with keeps me at about 15-20 a year that I can handle comfortably and still have my husband and kids speaking to me. And as 90% of you said, there are some bad planners out there, no denying it; so when you run into one, suggest that they join the ABC or take a course, let them know how much you learn at your conferences and maybe they can come away with a new outlook and fresh ideas as well. It couldn't hurt and the proper delivery of the message won't offend. I can't imagine anyone not wanting to be better at what they do, at least deep down, even if they won't admit it outright.

My philosophy has always been that it takes a village to pull off a great event. It's not my job to tell vendors how to do their jobs, it's my job to make sure they have everything they need to get the job done. Sometimes it's as easy as making sure the doors are unlocked and other times it's more complicated like finding extra hands to turn a ballroom from ceremony site to reception hall during the cocktail hour.

So the next time I'm out running down linens, looking for the perfect shade of ribbon for a wedding cake, at a dress fitting, or a menu tasting, maybe we'll run into each other. I'll buy lunch!

Michele Landers
Weddings by Michele
Extraordinary Weddings Don't Just Happen!
 
Probably should have mentioned that I am an Accredited Bridal Consultant with the ABC, and a member of the American Academy of Wedding Professionals. I also host three bridal shows a year (Jan, May, Sept) in Lexington.

Michele
Weddings by Michele
 
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